For those of you who think Clomid doesn't work..

[conundrum]

Over a span of 9 months of taking generic clomid my Test level has jumped from 369 ng/dl to 496 ng/dl to 564 ng/dl...

Pretty fucking amazing...I think with generic clomid.

 

[mryar]

The main hit on clomid and nolva is it lowers IGF-1. I was ready to ditch my nolva, but then I read recently nolva only lowers serum IGF-1 levels.

Plasma IGF-1 levels are not correlated with muscle growth from what I read. What is more important is intramuscular IGF-1 levels. Its possible higher plasma IGF-1 may be actually bad since IGF-1 could possible play a role in cancerous tumors' growth. This is probably why many don't see benefits from IGF-1 lr3.

What do you think EF?

 

[Makaveli Tha Don]

The main hit on clomid and nolva is it lowers IGF-1. I was ready to ditch my nolva, but then I read recently nolva only lowers serum IGF-1 levels.

Plasma IGF-1 levels are not correlated with muscle growth from what I read. What is more important is intramuscular IGF-1 levels. Its possible higher plasma IGF-1 may be actually bad since IGF-1 could possible play a role in cancerous tumors' growth. This is probably why many don't see benefits from IGF-1 lr3.

What do you think EF?

If we're talking about pct...I think I wouldn't think twice about taking a temporary 4 week hit to my igf 1 levels to get my test levels back up. Remember, test levels are pretty damn important to muscle growth as well...

 

[mryar]

If we're talking about pct...I think I wouldn't think twice about taking a temporary 4 week hit to my igf 1 levels to get my test levels back up. Remember, test levels are pretty damn important to muscle growth as well...

You're only taking a hit on serum IGF-1 levels, which only grows cancers if I'm not mistaken. Intramuscular IGF-1 grows muscles, which I'm guessing isn't affected by nolva, clomid etc.

 

[andrew732]

Yeah that is overrated stuff for sure. Just make sure to use an AI because that stuff will leave LOTS of estradiol in the system as time passes and even after you stop using it.