First post

[Toy2005]

Ok everyone here is a little history about me. 26 yo, 143 lbs, 5'6
I'm 26 years old I played junior college baseball in 2006 and 2007. I broke my jaw in march 2008 lost 25 pounds in the 8 weeks my mouth was wired shut. Went from a ripped cut and lean 135 to 110 scrawny little bastard. I stopped lifting from 2008 till 2011. It was my 2011 new years resolution to get back in shape and get my life back together. So I hit the gym for 10 months solid and was up to 135 pounds again from 125. Broke my wrist in november 2011 and just started lifting again in april 2012.

I am here looking for a little guidance to running a small first cycle to help lean me out a little while getting to the 155lb range. I have a big vacation planned with some old friends and i'm really wanting to be in top shape for the vacation( say what you want but thats my motivation for the extra help)

While this may be my first post and first cycle I have been reading alot online and on here before signing up so I feel like I have a basic under standing and knowledge of all this.

I was thinking of starting a cycle early Feb somthing along the lines of this

1-10 Test cyp or e 200mg 2 times a week(depending on which I end up being able to get
1-10 Aromason 12.5 mg every day
5-10 Hcgenerate
I want to run Anavar on the end of the cycle and not positive how, I was thinking
8-12 Anavar 40mg ed
8-12 N2gaurd or fordge liver

Then for PCT
13-16 unleashed/post cycle (seems like this is the best)
13-16 Forma stanzol ( love the reviews on this)
13-16 DAA power chews

I'm on the fence about running clomid as I was kind of reading and thinking that the forma stanzol can replace clomid am I wrong in this?
Right now i'm on a creatine, fish oil, multi vit and bcaa
Here is a little about my diet and training which I'm open for some guidance in this area also if I need to post this info in another section I will.

So right now i'm training 5-6 days a week
My split is usually like this
day 1 Legs/Abs 20 min walk on treadmil
day 2 Chest/Cardio
day 3 Back/Abs 20 min walk on treadmil
day 4 Rest/(mens league basketball)
day5 Shoulder/Abs
day6 Arms 30 min walk/jog on treadmil
day7 Rest

Wake up at 5 every morning
Eat an orange or apple and handfull of mixed nuts on my way out the door to work
7 am
8 oz of greek yogurt with some granola and rasberrys mixed in and a Bacon egg homemade burrito on wheat tortilla each burrito has about 2 whole eggs 2 egg whites 4 pieces of bacon and onions and green peppers

10 am
canned salmon or tuna wild caught and some pistacios

lunch around 1pm
Usually some left overs from dinner steak or chicken breast and some veggies and greens

3 pm protien shake from syntha 6 protien power

work out 4-5:30

dinner by 630-730 usually chicken breat or steak or pork chop or home made pizza. With a salad

This is pretty basic and basicly what I eat everyday some days it may change some but for the most part this is close

Hope this information can help get me some guidance

 

[Labtec70]

Hi toy2005

I'll leave others more experienced with cycles to advise on that aspect, but to me, 400mg of either is okay for a first cycle. Both of the compounds are testosterone ethers of similar life and activity.
The stand-out thing for me - if weight gain and muscle mass is your short term goal - is to shelve all that cardio. The basketball and maybe an other day on the treadmill is plenty to maintain cardio fitness for now.
If your immediate goal is gaining FFM then doing the amount of cardio in the above plan is going to stifle these aims.

There's a hell of a lot more to it physiologically than this...but:

Your present amount of cardiovascular training is developing your aerobic fitness at the expense of building muscle mass, which, as you know, is anaerobic. Presently, much of your diet, or energy intake, is being used aerobically and nutritional
energy is being diverted for the needs and demands of your cardio workouts. Let's say that currently, for example, 500kcals a day is being used to feed your respiratory system and replenish the carbohydrate stores in your muscles (glycogen).
Ideally, that 500kcals should be stored and used to assist you in the gym for weight training needs, because when you're done training your muscles are in a catabolic state and require glycogen to store and fill up the muscles. Also to aid protein synthesis and protein sparing for anabolism.

In short, if your calorie intake is more than you need to carry out daily demands keep your diet as is, as long as your ratios are tied to your goals...and cut down your cardio activity. This will allow you to work harder in the gym and give your muscles more recovery time. This way you will increase your mass. When you're a few weeks out from your trip you can increase your cardio, if necessary, and tweek your diet in order to lean out and get cut.

As for PCT, again, I'll leave that to others.

Good luck!

 

[oxymoron]

With a twelve week cycle I'd add clomid. The forma will control estrogen but its won't help restart your hpta like a serm (clomid) will.

Have u thought about something like helladrol? That is another good option for ur goals and would be nice stepping stone to a towards a test/var cycle. Helladrol will put on some decent lean muscle in a 6 wk cycle.

Are u doing a post workout shake or is that pwo dinner just a shitload of protein? I'd be shooting to get around 75g of easily digestable protein within 30 min of the gym.

And btw, welcome to the board!

Sent using the elitefitness app.

 

[Toy2005]

Hi toy2005

I'll leave others more experienced with cycles to advise on that aspect, but to me, 400mg of either is okay for a first cycle. Both of the compounds are testosterone ethers of similar life and activity.
The stand-out thing for me - if weight gain and muscle mass is your short term goal - is to shelve all that cardio. The basketball and maybe an other day on the treadmill is plenty to maintain cardio fitness for now.
If your immediate goal is gaining FFM then doing the amount of cardio in the above plan is going to stifle these aims.

There's a hell of a lot more to it physiologically than this...but:

Your present amount of cardiovascular training is developing your aerobic fitness at the expense of building muscle mass, which, as you know, is anaerobic. Presently, much of your diet, or energy intake, is being used aerobically and nutritional
energy is being diverted for the needs and demands of your cardio workouts. Let's say that currently, for example, 500kcals a day is being used to feed your respiratory system and replenish the carbohydrate stores in your muscles (glycogen).
Ideally, that 500kcals should be stored and used to assist you in the gym for weight training needs, because when you're done training your muscles are in a catabolic state and require glycogen to store and fill up the muscles. Also to aid protein synthesis and protein sparing for anabolism.

In short, if your calorie intake is more than you need to carry out daily demands keep your diet as is, as long as your ratios are tied to your goals...and cut down your cardio activity. This will allow you to work harder in the gym and give your muscles more recovery time. This way you will increase your mass. When you're a few weeks out from your trip you can increase your cardio, if necessary, and tweek your diet in order to lean out and get cut.

As for PCT, again, I'll leave that to others.

Good luck!

Good info man thank you

 

[wootoom]

Welcome to the board, but you might not like my post lol..I think you need to eat eat eat and train train train and not worry about AAS right now..you are 143lbs??? That is very small no offence...the cycle looks good but I would definitely not be running it. AAS won't help you get your life back together and using it because of a vacation is not looking ahead in the future just my opinion

 

[Toy2005]

With a twelve week cycle I'd add clomid. The forma will control estrogen but its won't help restart your hpta like a serm (clomid) will.

Have u thought about something like helladrol? That is another good option for ur goals and would be nice stepping stone to a towards a test/var cycle. Helladrol will put on some decent lean muscle in a 6 wk cycle.

Are u doing a post workout shake or is that pwo dinner just a shitload of protein? I'd be shooting to get around 75g of easily digestable protein within 30 min of the gym.

And btw, welcome to the board!

Sent using the elitefitness app.

Thanks for the welcome. I have thought about a helladrol cycle but Im kind of liking the test anavar idea. Sometime I get a shake in after I work out but I dont always. I will start making sure I get alot of protein with in the 30 minutes
Thanks for your help and infomation.

 

[stevesmi]

you don't need AAS right now. at 146 pounds and for the goals you want to get to 155 they can easily be achieved just by changing the things you are doing. I am your height btw and 146 its hard for me to comprehend unless you are skin and bones at your age. maybe for a teenager but not for a 26 year old man.

you got great advice above by everyone. lay off the cardio so much and use your diet to cut fat, all that cardio you are doing is burning your mass away. your split is horrible for someone who wants to bodybuild, its good for someone who wants to circuit train and be 'fit' but not for bodybuilding. read my link in my signature on a 3 day split and follow that instead. and stick to mostly compound lifts and not spending your gym time working your abs or arms. thats not gonna build mass standing in front of the mirror doing curls the whole time or doing sit ups.

 

[Toy2005]

Welcome to the board, but you might not like my post lol..I think you need to eat eat eat and train train train and not worry about AAS right now..you are 143lbs??? That is very small no offence...the cycle looks good but I would definitely not be running it. AAS won't help you get your life back together and using it because of a vacation is not looking ahead in the future just my opinion

I appreciat the critisim. I'm not using aas to get my life back together I have already done that. I have been Commited back to the gym and working out for almost 2 years now minus the time off from injuries. I know 143 pounds is small compaired to to most people but its the most I have ever weighed lol. Always been a little guy.

No offence taken man.

 

[Toy2005]

you don't need AAS right now. at 146 pounds and for the goals you want to get to 155 they can easily be achieved just by changing the things you are doing. I am your height btw and 146 its hard for me to comprehend unless you are skin and bones at your age. maybe for a teenager but not for a 26 year old man.

you got great advice above by everyone. lay off the cardio so much and use your diet to cut fat, all that cardio you are doing is burning your mass away. your split is horrible for someone who wants to bodybuild, its good for someone who wants to circuit train and be 'fit' but not for bodybuilding. read my link in my signature on a 3 day split and follow that instead. and stick to mostly compound lifts and not spending your gym time working your abs or arms. thats not gonna build mass standing in front of the mirror doing curls the whole time or doing sit ups.

I will check that out steve. I dont curl infront of the mirror there are to many dudes with huge upper bodys and pencil legs in the way lol.
Thank you for your input

 

[Gorilla-Pharma]

I appreciat the critisim. I'm not using aas to get my life back together I have already done that. I have been Commited back to the gym and working out for almost 2 years now minus the time off from injuries. I know 143 pounds is small compaired to to most people but its the most I have ever weighed lol. Always been a little guy.

No offence taken man.

But you can be a bigger little guy before juicing it up. Almost 2 years is not that long, and is probably really realistically just over a year serious right????