Him, most days I only eat meat and a ton of raw veggies. SOmetimes some natural peanut butter or nutts on the days I eat less meat. I do low carbs, with periodic carb ups for bulking. Long explianation that belongs on the diet forum rather than here. We argue this stuff over there alot. There are alot of freakishly big guys who do low carbs year round. I'm glad to finally see this adressed in a sticky on Elite now. Anyone read I belive its called "Insulin and big fat bastards" or something like that.