Diet advice - Lean Mass from Tren

[cobracock1979]

Hi Bros,

Im on a Tren150/ Winny/ Prop Cycle (second cycle). Im 6ft, 190lbs, BF15% and been liftin about 8 years. On cycle 11 days now.

Im looking to gain solid lean mass from the tren on a high proten/ low carb diet (no carbs after 4pm). I have been drinking a lot of milk but have had to cut it due to bloat.

I normally eat pretty clean anyway, but Im wondering if I need more Calories (im on about 3000 now). Heres a typical day

7am - proten shake+ (milk +2 eggs+banana+oats+ peanut butter)

8.30am Bagel+cottage cheese

10am 100g Beef

12pm 100g turkey

1.30 am Chicken sandwhich

3pm Chicken breast

5pm shake (with water)

7.30pm (after training) shake(with water) + tuna salad

9pm 6 boiled eggs (only eat 2 yokes)

10.30pm - shake with water


I know there is probably too much whey in there but work in an office and struggle to eat whole foods constantly. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Basically I want to know if I need to increase cals/ carbs - from what I know my current diet should build good lean mass whilst cutting on tren.

 

[GUARDIAN]

The one thing I noticed is the 2 places u mention your serving size of 100g of beef and turkey. That seems low. Try to get 6-8oz of meat (170-226grams).

Looks like u r on a keto diet. I am not seeing any carbs really other than your bagel and sandwich. I hope u r taking vitamins and fiber to replace the veggies.

 

[cobracock1979]

The one thing I noticed is the 2 places u mention your serving size of 100g of beef and turkey. That seems low. Try to get 6-8oz of meat (170-226grams).

Looks like u r on a keto diet. I am not seeing any carbs really other than your bagel and sandwich. I hope u r taking vitamins and fiber to replace the veggies.

Thanks Guardian,

Would you say thats a Keto diet - I thought I had enouh carbs in there. Last think I want is to start burning muscle for fuel.

You thing I need more carbs?

 

[GUARDIAN]

Thanks Guardian,

Would you say thats a Keto diet - I thought I had enouh carbs in there. Last think I want is to start burning muscle for fuel.

You thing I need more carbs?

I dont know what your carb count is but if it is 100g or less it is most likely a form of a keto diet. Keto is fine imo for incinerating fat. I think the two most important times for carbs on keto is in the morning and PWO. If u do a keto right by keeping the protein super high and the fats moderately high u will not burn up the muscle. Especially being on gear.

 

[cobracock1979]

I dont know what your carb count is but if it is 100g or less it is most likely a form of a keto diet. Keto is fine imo for incinerating fat. I think the two most important times for carbs on keto is in the morning and PWO. If u do a keto right by keeping the protein super high and the fats moderately high u will not burn up the muscle. Especially being on gear.

Ah,

From what Ive read on a keto you need literally 0 carbs (apart from loading on the weekend) in order to shift metaboliam into keto format. If you have low amounts of carbs you dont shift to the Keto state and start burning muscle instad of fat. Thats my understanding anyway.

May be an idea to add dextrose then to my PWO shake?

 

[perryscoon]

Ah,

From what Ive read on a keto you need literally 0 carbs (apart from loading on the weekend) in order to shift metaboliam into keto format. If you have low amounts of carbs you dont shift to the Keto state and start burning muscle instad of fat. Thats my understanding anyway.

May be an idea to add dextrose then to my PWO shake?

Can someone confirm this?

So, its all or nothing when it comes to keto diet? Low carbs won't switch to keto format?

 

[flexdaddyz71]

I'm a week out from finishing the same cycle. I too, cut all my carbs for the first 4 wks (Mon-Fri) Did extreme cardio sessions. I finally got to the point of total exhaustion 24/7. I started taking in clean carbs everyday. Always before 5PM leaving my last two meals carb-free. The results are insane. Just be careful with the Tren, cause that shit made my nips sore and I had to drop it after 6wks. Up your protein intake should be around 2 to 2.5 grams per your LBM. Good Luck!

 

[cobracock1979]

I'm a week out from finishing the same cycle. I too, cut all my carbs for the first 4 wks (Mon-Fri) Did extreme cardio sessions. I finally got to the point of total exhaustion 24/7. I started taking in clean carbs everyday. Always before 5PM leaving my last two meals carb-free. The results are insane. Just be careful with the Tren, cause that shit made my nips sore and I had to drop it after 6wks. Up your protein intake should be around 2 to 2.5 grams per your LBM. Good Luck!

Nice one flex,

Are you sayin that when you cut carbs your results were much less? How much carbs were you taking in in the first 4 weeks and how much after 4 weeks?

Got dostinex and letro on the way to deal with gyno. No sides from the tren so far.

 

[GUARDIAN]

Can someone confirm this?

So, its all or nothing when it comes to keto diet? Low carbs won't switch to keto format?

Yes it will. Get some keto sticks from the pharmacy and can conduct your own experiment.

 

[rjbodnar62]

CKD diets are generally under 30g-carb/day. TKD is higher because it includes carbs b4 and after ur workout. Unless you are cutting I'm not sure a CKD is optimal for AAS because the weekend insulin spike u get isnt enough to support the amount of muscle growth that can be realized while on.