Deadlift rut

[Debaser]

with all the shit Debaser eats, i DO believe he gains 2 pounds a week, of FAT, hahaha.. and you are right Blk, i never hear about his routine, or what he lifts.. all i hear is one set this one set that.. or dude, i hear 500g of protien and 1000g of carbs..

but i always hear from everyone else, dude, i reached a new PR, even if its, "i gained 5 pounds on my bench press in a month", something to build off of, and believe.. id rather hear that a 100 pound person gained 5 pounds in 2 months rather than2 pounds a week.. cuz, its real..

thats just me...

HAHAHHA YOU'RE RIGHT, go ahead and stick to your 2500 calorie diet and check out the gobs of mass that you gain. If you had ANY CLUE about DC dieting protocols you would realize how fucking ignorant you sound. I haven't heard of any of his trainees putting on more than 1% bodyfat over a long period of time. I put on a little bit at one point (1-2%) because I didn't cut the carbs at night and ate a LOT of junk (pint of ice cream every day, even at night) and did no cardio. So I didn't follow his methods to the letter. I have since remedied this. And I don't post my lifts because of idiots like you, who would conclude their training is better simply because you lift more (even though you're a full foot shorter and have trained 6 times as long).

 

[TheOak84]

i will try it for 4 weeks this summer at my gym in my garage..

if i do it at my local gym.. people will laugh, and so will my training partners.. but, i will let u know THIS summer, come june, maybe even may, or when ever it gets warm.. i have more than enough equipment in my garage to perform all the major lifts.. SO, is 4 weeks enough time to notice results on DC???

i think it should be. so that mean ill gain 6-8 pounds in a month? correct?

 

[Debaser]

I would guess you'd gain at least 6 lbs, IF YOU FOLLOWED HIS DIET AS WELL. It won't make you fat.

But that's just my point, you're training for ego if you give a fuck what others think about your lifting.

 

[TheOak84]

dude, stop crying, want me to hold ur hand???

i said ill try it for 4 weeks, i will TRY to eat that much. but, i will have a job in the summer, a normal person with a job cant eat that much.. if i was a pro BB with nothing to do except eat, train and sleep, then ya.. id do it..

post your exact routine that YOU do at THIS moment, i will copy and save it, study it, prepare.. all that garbage.. then tell me how much protien, carbs, and fat you eat, and ill try to fit that into one day... ok???

so, lay it on me... and, try to stay on the subject.. jsut your routine and your diet.. no other mumbo jumbo

 

[Debaser]

I've had 2 jobs + school and could do it, you just have to want it. Anyway, come up with your 3 favorite different exercises per bodypart:
chest
shoulders
triceps
back width
back thickness
biceps
forearms
quads
hams
calves

 

[TheOak84]

so you do all that in one day???

where YOUR diet???

 

[Debaser]

my diet is on that thread called "yay"

and no you don't do all that in 1 day just tell me what your 3 fav exercises for each would be

 

[TheOak84]

ok lemme see..

chest: bench press, incline bar/DB press, weighted dips

Shoulders: Military back, DB military, upright row

triceps: close grip bench, over head BB ext, skull crushers

Back W: pull ups, pulldown behind neck, deadlifts

Back T: deadlifts, BB rows, hammer st, rows

Bicep: BB curls, cheat curls, any kind of DB curl

Forearm: wrist curls, reverse curls, hammer curls

hams: deadlifts, ham curls, SLDL

calves: standing calf raise, seated raise

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then what..

 

[guldukat]

Oops, double post. But I wanted to say good luck in whatever course you decide on Oak. Arnold is my favorite, too

 

[guldukat]

That was exactly my point B Fold. You and Spatts and other WSB'ers never put people down and really show your progress and only provide positive information on the site and it makes your routine seem so much more appealing. Needsize as well, he provides awesome feedback and does so respectfully and that is why I believe so many people are trying the 5x5 as well. Debaser wants so many to try DC training, yet he takes the absolute worse approach in trying to persuade others. He has posted this type of training before and got little response. DC came here and talked about the training and was very cool about it and now it is a sticky with over 400 replies.

I don't see how Debaser put anyone down, to be very frank.
He only said that Oak is overtraining, which I think is probably true (I'll get to that in a moment).

If anything, I'd say several people were rude to Debaser by not addressing his argument. Instead of focusing on what he said--his logical advice--we're now attacking his character. That is the fallacy of attacking the person--argumentum ad hominem. (For those unfamiliar with logic, that means disagreeing with him on the grounds that "he's a jerk" means you're making a bogus claim. His argument either holds water or it doesn't; his person has nothing to do with it.)

Next we had several red herrings about DC-style training. Debaser didn't tell Oak he HAD to follow Dogg's training style. DC training, therefore, is a side-issue, a distraction.

Then we had people throwing in straw men arguments, an argument where you distort someone's original position, attack the distortion, then claim to be victorious.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

Would someone be so kind as to point out where Debaser "put someone down"? Is it putting someone down to say they're overtraining? I don't think so.

I agree with his assessment. Deadlifting even once a week usually resulted in overtraining for me. The lower back is quick to fatigue and takes a LONG time to recover. Oak, you'd best be served by cutting down on your no. of work sets AND back off on the deadlift for awhile. I do not think assistance exercises are the answer as you've only been deadlifting hard for 10 weeks, you said?

You must also get beyond this ego-driven "I can do X weight, and people are impressed" business if you want to enjoy pretty steady progress long-term. Chances are good no one cares, though from the sounds of things you're doing well. Concentrate on improving YOU. Focus a little more on what you're doing, not what easily-impressed onlookers think, and try to think outside of the box.

NO ONE is saying DC training is "the only way." Shame on anyone that tossed out that ugly piece of illogic. But would it really kill you to try doing fewer sets of deadlifts, and maybe taking a couple of weeks to back off from the lift itself?

Take a cue from other relatively high-volume lifters, who rarely train a lift VERY hard for more than six weeks or so on end. Most of a 10-12 week cycle for periodization guys are spent working up to very hard sets. You have been doing very hard sets the *entire time*. You've done great to get to 405 that way, but now it's time to regroup. Catch your breath, and start fresh, focusing on putting more work into individual sets. You know that a single set can do a lot for growth, so treat every set as do-or-die. You'll find you won't need many sets total (excluding warm-ups, of course, which everyone needs), and might not be able to do as many as you're used to.

I look forward to hearing what path you choose to take. Good luck.

P.S.--I mean no offense to you in saying this, but I call it as I see it. I honestly feel you're not thinking things through as best you could. I just read the last few responses in the thread, and you note that you're going to continue on with "high-volume," but will try a DC-style routine in the summertime.

That's fine...but what I don't understand is your inflexibility. You are grasping to something that doesn't work for you right now. You know the saying, if it ain't broke, don't fix it...well, if it IS broken, FIX IT!

You are making a mistake that's common, the false dichotomy. You are treating your training options as a very strict "either this (high volume), or that (extremely low volume)."

Why not strike a compromise, Oak? Try a reduced volume deadlift routine. Just cut out two sets and see what happens at first if you don't believe me. But don't follow this illogic that you must train at either end of the spectrum. Make your training suit YOU; don't suit yourself to the training.