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Deadlift rut

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Debaser, that is my OLD routine.. and ur exapmple of my training are funny.. im stuck at 100 pounds and i do 40 sets.. HAHAHA

you seem like a moron to me, if you read correctly, i do SIX TO NINE work sets.. which is fine for building muscle, its proven by scientists..

and everyone one else is right, all you do is put me down.

it doesnt really bother me, since i already know i look good and and strong for my age, size and weight..

so, lets get back to the subject.. my deadlifting.. not lifting in general, you already ahve your own sticky.. why dont you cause chaos there..

Deepsquat - i dont deadlift twice a week, who said that???:confused:

thanx for everyone who gave me ideas and DIDNT put me down..
 
I hope one day you'll come around.

i hope you'll understand that i like to pump iron.. nice heavy sets.. not 1 set.. i like to be that guy in the gym who people stare at saying "man how old is that kid, hes strong as hell"

then they say, "oh my god, hes using 100's on incline DB, but, but, he JUST went heavy on flat and incline...i dont understand.."

ya know one of those guys.. not just a guy who 'claims' to be big, but.. you never see him lift. and hes there for 30 minutes..
 
I concur - sometimes you just do it because its fun!

1 set won't cut it for that :)

1 set of power cleans? no way!
 
Train for your ego then. I myself train for mass and strength.

oak you don't understand, your strength is good but not phenominal. It could be a lot better if you learned how to train. Aren't you 5'2"? You are genetically dispositioned for strength from the get-go.

And you hit a wall. I don't care if you don't think 6-9 work sets is overtraining, but IT IS. The sooner you realize that you need to train to get stronger and not for reasons like:

A. I want a good pump
B. I want the people in the gym to see what I lift

How about "oh my god, hes using 100s on incline...but he used those last month, and the month before. Look at that guy over there, I could have sworn he was using 140s last time I saw. What the fuck are those, 180s? Gee I wonder why that guy keeps getting bigger and stronger and the other guy always looks the same."

BTW this is my quote of the year:
"6-9 work sets is fine for building muscle, IT'S PROVEN BY SCIENTISTS" hahahaha
 
Debaser, why is it that just about every thread I see you post on it ends up like this one, a flame fest where you mostly just put down the style of training that is being discussed?

From what i've seen, the DC method is effective, but at the same time, you cant just state that it would work best for every one. You say that 6-9 working sets is over training, but that is a gross generalization. Look at what the 5x5 has done for me, and all the others that I train. I saw you post once that not everyone has my genetics, so it'll only work for a few, you have no idea how funny that is. I was 140lbs when i started training, and was a major hardgainer. I have a tiny bone structure, 7" wrists and a waist around 28" when I diet down, and I had to fight for very lb every gained. But when I tried this version of the 5x5, I blew up faster than most do on gear. And look at my strength gains, I can deadlift 550+ for easy sets of 5, no belt, straps or anything, I know NPC and pro level guys that cant do that.

Bottom line is that if you're not a part of the solution, then you are a part of the problem. Instead of just making blanket statements, offer specific solutions. I've gained pretty much 100lbs since I started training, and around 8" on my arms, but I still dont preach that the systems I advocate are the only ones that work
 
Okay this is starting to get annoying. I'm not saying DC is the only way.

I am saying:

He is overtraining.

I am not saying if you do not do DC you will only overtrain.

Needsize I am not doubting your efforts. But I believe 5x5 is too much work for many people, though it is much better than how oak trains. You doubt your genetics, but really 7" wrists are not bad at all. 2-3 work sets per bodypart is all you need, deepsquat is right. Any more than that and ALL you are doing is hampering you ability to recover from your workouts.

Too all those that think they are hardgainers, or that you need more than 2-3 sets, read this: http://www.hardgainer.com/articles/21-38.html and tell me. BTW he is using traditional 5x5, which 2-3 sets are warmups and the rest are worksets. Someone who is 6'3", with extra-long arms and legs, displaced hips, scoliosis, less than SIX INCH WRIST, and rounded shoulders. And he put on 72 lbs. who knows what now this is a 7-9 year old article.

And furthermore, look at what DC training has done for DC: He started at 130 or so lbs and is now up to 300 and a superheavyweight. He got up to 240 naturally. 110 lbs, all natural, is quite an accomplishment. He has had hundreds of clients, who have all had the gains of their life, and most of them are clean. It is not uncommon for his trainees to gain over 2 lbs a week of almost all muscle (I am gaining 2-3 lbs/week).

I am not sure how else to convince you guys that you DO NOT NEED MORE THAN 2-3 sets. It wouldn't matter how many examples I showed, or the logic behind it, or anything else. Thank yourselves (some of you) for your genetics, as there are people that have trained 10+ years the way you do, and (one example) got up to the pinnacle of 6'1" 180 lbs. AFTER SWITCHING TO ABBREVIATED TRAINING, HE PUT ON 55 MORE LBS NATURALLY. I could list EXAMPLE AFTER EXAMPLE, GOING ON FOR PAGES. IT WOULDN'T MATTER. I'd say I would just give up, but people are slowly coming around, I'd say a few people per week are being turned on by the DC sticky. And they're making the smartest decision in their training career they will EVER make.
 
2-3 lbs huh? Clean? I don't think so. It is physiologically impossible to put on 2 lbs of muscle a week. Beginners see the most gain, and don't even put on this much muscle. Generally it is water retention (by the muscles) and subsequent carbohydrate bloating.
For the advanced bodybuilder, natural, the best results can still be impressive, but 2-3 lbs is a week is impossible. Sorry to say but you are exagerating. The most conservative estimate by researches say adding a lb of muscle a week(for the beginner, 1 lb of muscle a month for the advanced) is generally seen as awesome, and I have seen that 2-3 lbs a month of muscle can be achieved by those with higher than normal hormone levels.

Either you are jucing or lying. Not saying using steroids is bad, but using your example to get newbies that aren't juicing to do your method expecting your kinds of gains is extremely dishonest.
 
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Here is an article by a guy who has a bit more optimistic ceiling for muscle growth- 1lb a week.

http://www.wannabebig.com/article.php?articleid=68

One frequently asked question which always seems to plague gym instructors, Internet message boards, various magazines and books has to do with muscle gain. Many of us have heard or have overheard the local gym guru or the community fitness expert boasting about how much he/she has gained, or how one of their clients has gained 10 pounds in a month. When someone hears this, a light goes on inside their head and it kicks off a series of thoughts that quickly translate into a set of unrealistic goals. I will say this: that from whichever mouth it comes, whether a highly regarded coach, trainer or a bodybuilder, the fact of the matter is that it’s physiologically impossible to achieve this muscle status! Later on, I’ll explain why.

Often, people making this claim have a faulty perception of how the body either works or are just super-optimistic. Of course, it’s not only the gym (freaks) that espouses this myth; it can be traced to numerous ads in a variety of muscle magazines lining the bookstore shelves. The bodybuilding industry, nowadays, thrives on people who are hungry for a quick change. They are ready to buy into the notion that a change can be accomplished because a certain ad lays claims by way of an incredible cut and paste transformation. Frequently, it’s a beginner who testifies to the astounding feat of gaining 30 pounds over a period of several months. This is, no doubt, a great achievement but most have been fooled into believing that a large percentage is muscle when most of it is due to an increase in glycogen stores, body fat and water.
Now it’s not my intention to dash your hopes or crush your dreams. I’d merely like you to know that the body simply cannot adapt at the speed claimed by many. For example, Chris Thibaudeau of Iron magazine online states: “making physical changes takes time;” this couldn’t be closer to the truth. So be forewarned that in your quest to change or morph yourself into the next Ronnie Coleman; the transformation is going to take more than a few months. Our bodies are equipped with systems that need to adapt together over a period. This is what you should bear in mind while working towards the goal of a more muscular physique.

So How Much Muscle Can You Gain.

Sometimes we are our own worst enemy when it comes to gaining muscle. Nine times out of ten, most of us fail in the dedication department. What starts out as a carefully planned and calculated program, ends up hitting some bumps along the way. However, even if we are dedicated (some may call it obsessed) and diligent about our nutrition, with proper training and recuperation practices, we still would not be able to add more than 1 pound of muscle in a week. That’s right, only one pound a week--and this is assuming you’ve had a darn good week both inside and outside the gym!
Often, people believe that if they take in 3500 more calories during a week that they will be successful at packing on slabs of muscle. However, the old adage that one pound equates to 3500 calories is right for fat but NOT muscle. If you want to gain one pound of fat, then you should be taking in an extra 3500 calories a week. Now there’s one way of putting on some weight!

As I mentioned earlier, the body’s multiple systems are all intricately interconnected: if one system has not undergone the proper adaptation, then the results will show in the form of a failure to produce optimal hypertrophy of the muscle complex. For example, if we were to look at some of the soft tissues involved in the hypertrophy process of the muscle complex, we’d see that muscle would generally adapt to a load within several days. Unlike the tendons and ligaments, studies have shown that muscle responds by adapting after a period of several weeks or even months of progressive loading (McDough & Davies, 1984). It also should be noted that the protein turnover rate in collagen occurs approximately every 1000 days. This clearly shows that even if one were to gain in bodyweight, the body would only be able to accommodate a certain amount in the form of muscle; otherwise, the muscles would fall prey to injury due to the time-span in adaptation rates for various other tissues. Those who scoff at this and continue to believe they’ve gained super size over such a short period forget, as suggested earlier, that much of the increased bodyweight is largely due to increased body fat stores, glycogen and water.
Hypertrophy of the muscle complex has, so far, been shown to be controlled by what is known as protein turnover (the breakdown of damaged muscle proteins and creation of new and stronger ones). This process takes time. Just as the many living organisms around us in nature require time to grow, so do our muscles. In our enzymes the protein turnover rate occurs approximately every 7-10 minutes. In the liver and plasma, it’s every 10 days. And in the hemoglobin it’s every 120days.In the muscles, protein turnover rate occurs approximately every 180 days (6 months). This lends even more support to the observation that the turnover rate limits the natural body (of the non drug-using athlete, bodybuilder) in building muscle quickly.
The Colgan Institute of Nutritional Sciences (located in San Diego, CA) run by Dr Michael Colgan PHD, a leading sport nutritionist explains that in his extensive experience, the most muscle gain he or any of his colleagues have recorded over a year was 181/4 lbs. Dr Colgan goes on to state that “because of the limiting rate of turnover in the muscle cells it is impossible to grow more than an ounce of new muscle each day.” In non-complicated, mathematical terms, this would equate to roughly 23 pounds in a year! Keep in mind that high-level athletes are the subjects of these studies.

Putting It All Together

Now that I’ve put a damper on your expectations you can step back and take a closer look at your training, nutritional practices and recuperation tactics. There’s no need to beat yourself up because you’ve only been able to gain a pound a week for the last 6 weeks. If anything, assuming your body fat levels have been kept at bay, you’re probably on the right track.

When it comes to muscle gain there is no dramatic technique or quick fix that will allow you to pack on more muscle naturally. It’s better to stay focused and realistic by training hard, eating meticulously and spending time to recuperate properly; this will result in your achieving a more muscular physique. Keep in mind that it’s physiologically impossible to gain more than one pound of lean muscle per week. For most weight-gainers, .5 pounds per week would be an even more realistic goal as they reach their genetic limit. Remember that gaining muscle is a long-term project and not something that can be simply turned on. If you’re dedicated and diligent in your efforts, you’ll not be disappointed!


Written by, Maki Riddington

And here- a bit more conservative- heads up though, its a PDF file.

http://www.studenthealth.ucla.edu/snac/pages/Resources/Handouts/HOBulkingup.pdf

How much weight can I expect to
gain over time?
In theory, you will gain 1 pound per week by eating 3500 extra
calories per week (or 500 extra calories per day). of course not all of this will be muscle

In practice, weight gain is not that simple.
 At the start of your weight training program, you’ll have
greater gains (up to 3 lb. of muscle per month).
 After 3 months, the gains will be smaller.
 If you keep up with a high intensity weight training program
and a high calorie diet, you may produce gains of 20 pounds in
a year.
Keep in mind, once you reach your genetic size potential, you
cannot get any bigger.
 There is an upper limit to how much pure muscle your body
can acquire (naturally) without further gains in fat mass too.

Bolding mine.
 
epimetheus said:
2-3 lbs huh? Clean? I don't think so. It is physiologically impossible to put on 2 lbs of muscle a week. Beginners see the most gain, and don't even put on this much muscle. Generally it is water retention (by the muscles) and subsequent carbohydrate bloating.
For the advanced bodybuilder, natural, the best results can still be impressive, but 2-3 lbs is a week is impossible. Sorry to say but you are exagerating. The most conservative estimate by researches say adding a lb of muscle a week(for the beginner, 1 lb of muscle a month for the advanced) is generally seen as awesome, and I have seen that 2-3 lbs a month of muscle can be achieved by those with higher than normal hormone levels.

Either you are jucing or lying. Not saying using steroids is bad, but using your example to get newbies that aren't juicing to do your method expecting your kinds of gains is extremely dishonest.

I'm not juicing or lying. Sorry it's so hard for you to believe. Explain to me how it's "physiologically impossible." You're talking out of your ass. Obviously my gains will slow down eventually (I won't be over 100 lbs heavier in a year) but for now they haven't slowed down. I was up to 212, then lost some weight for other reasons. So regaining up to 212 shouldn't be tough, then I'll report my gains as usual after that.
 
epimetheus said:
2-3 lbs huh? Clean? I don't think so. It is physiologically impossible to put on 2 lbs of muscle a week.
Agreed
2-3 lbs of lean muscle gain is the stats of a very successful moderate gear cycle.
 
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