Deadlift rut

[Debaser]

I guess you're right, I should ignore these 1-2 PMs a day I get from different people wanting help with the DC program. I guess "no one likes to deal with me."

And, you keep ignoring the point. I gave a reason why I was flaming in case you missed it, it's in MULTIPLE posts on this thread. And I wouldn't even call it flaming. "Annoyingly disrespectful," is your opinion, haha. How did you even contribute to this thread? Oh that's right. By saying that I was lying about my weight gain. Great contribution, I see *I* must be the one with the closed mind.

 

[JOKER47]

B Fold...I thinkl you are wrong! This board is mainly comprised of MEN...and when men get together and dicuss a topic...sometime they argue....almost every thread in here is some sort of arguement or another...one post will generate 15 different answers to the same question...if I contradict your answer...is that not an argument???

Though my post count doesn't show it (lost around 1000 posts in the hacker attack) I have been with this sight for more the 4 years...sometime i drift off..but I return from time to time ..to see how the board has changed ( usually the same stupid question 5 times on one page)...but occasionally a thread like this sparks my intrests...and many others as well...there are 75 posts on this thread..and as of me writing this 587 views...sounds to me as though people are not intrested in you moderating this thread with your politically correct views.

Political correctness was fostered by women trying to modify the actions and thoughts of men, by infuluencing there husbands and sons..we don't need it here...give us someplace to go where we don't have to cow-tow to everyones feelings..let men be men ..and if the women want to join in ...more power to them!

You say that we are nice people here and we don't flame people , to insight there emotions..( I paraphrased) ...if that is so ...then why do we have all of the following similies and more???? ( it wouldn't let me post them all)

It used to be yopu could flame the snot out of someone for being stupid, and half the time the moderators would join in!

You're right, we are men. Not children. And as such, we should act like men. (No offence to the women on this board.)

Men and women both argue when they get together and discuss something such as this. However, there is a difference between a healthy argument between people dicussing their different points of view of any particular subject, and a fight where nothing gets accomplished.

This board is here for the healthy arguments where all views are heard, discussed, and debated. Noone benefits from the bitching and narrow-minded whining of anyone that refuses to hear any other view other than their own. That goes for all the boards here.

The comment of "Flaming the snot out of someone and the MOD's would join in" does happen. But happens on the C&C board. Where that is what the board is there for. This board, the Anabolic Board, Supplement Board, PL Board, etc...are for learning. Flames and fighting are a waste of everyones time that comes here witrh questions and help regardiing their training.

DC is obviously a very effective training method. Notice the sticky at the top of the page. Notice also the sticky on WSB. Another proven effective way of training.

This thread has become a total waste of time for everyone here. I only hope that Oak got enough of an answer to his question for him to pursue his problem.

My vote at this time, due to what this thread has digressed into, is to lock it.

Oak, if you still have questions regarding getting past your sticking piint in your deadlift, please feel free to PM or mail me, and I will help you in anyway that i can.

I am done.

Joker

 

[Thaibox]

Debaser,
Don't turn this my direction little man. I proved your weight gain claims false at the beginning of this thread(using direct quotes from DC), then I explained why some people dislike your approach to the board. That's all. Unwad your panties.

 

[Debaser]

Then you totally ignored the response to your post. I thought you were going to "discuss", but like gul dukat said you guys are basically dismissing my arguments on the grounds that "he's a jerk." I'll go ahead and post it again:

That's over a period of years (as if those aren't incredible gains anyway) but I'm still relatively a beginner, keep that in mind...

I'll clarify a few things:

1. The 2-3 lbs a week would generally slow down after I'd say 3-6 months. Most guys that switch to DC, since they don't overtrain anymore (I'm sorry but most of you are) make gains like they're beginners again. Note: slow down still means it works a damn site faster than [every, imo] other training method.

2. When I say little to no fat gain, I did mean %, so yes I am gaining a bit of fat, probably something like 1/2 a lb a week. I do not know exactly. But some guys actually get leaner % wise, which means they actually gain very very little fat weekly. This has to do with his diet practices.

An example DC just posted was of a man who was clean, going from 202 to 237 in 5 months. To boot, he was a marine and had to do the intensive cardio regimen (at least miles of running, I'm not sure what else I could ask my marine friend though) 3 times a week. This is a very typical scenario, imagine the gains without the cardio? Probably 5-10 lbs or even more I'd say (though it's impossible to know). Many of you need to ask yourself, are you REALLY making gains like that? Even juiced? He has had hundreds of guys, most natural, making INCREDIBLE gains.

Sorry about the misconceptions.

 

[DOGGCRAPP]

I know Debaser has totally changed himself physically with alot of my ideas and has a very strong opinion about my methods and I greatly appreciate his fervor. I notice alot of other guys on some other boards feel very strongly also. What I dont want to do is to forcefeed my methods down someones throat. I dont want everyone doing my methods because it works best with people who have exhausted all other means and are frustrated and decide--"ok screw this crap im going to give this guy a shot 100%".
I originally put my theories down on the net after haveing large success with local people down here in San Diego and I thought I could help a couple guys by showing them a different way to get to the pie especially if they were at a standstill. My advice/comments to the people on this thread are to please keep doing what your doing and if you feel you just cant get there and its not happening for you --and you have exhausted all avenues and they just arent doing the trick---please look into my way of doing things because I feel I can really help you. Debaser I love your passion for this but I learned something long ago---you have to let someone make that BIG decision for themselves. You can throw hints. You can suggest but the final decision lies with them. With the guys I train online, I email them a huge questionairre because I want to know everything and I use that questionairre to decide whether we will work well together or not. Their words to me tell me whether they are going to go at this 100% or if they are going to read about the newest pro training in Flex magazine 2 weeks down the road and wonder if they should follow that. A huge huge mistake I see people make is jumping from program to program every 3 weeks and never getting something down steady and progressive. It comes from that question in everyones head "am i doing the right thing"? I urge everyone to use your deductive reasoning to decide what is best for you--trust in it--believe in it--devour it and pound it. Casual BB and I have some arguments on here but I have an admiration for both him and Debaser because they read either HST or my methods, thought "that sounds right to me" and then BLASTED AWAY AT IT. Both those guys will be successfull. I kind of laugh because alot of my trainees online email me and tell me that people in their gyms comment on how they train, asking questions etc. The larger guys i train online have a great deal of 'status' in the gym and the questions are nonstop for them because my methods are very different. The lighter guys I train get some crap from their freinds at first and then 30lbs later, they are now doling out advice. It strikes me odd how much the visual of all this effects people instead of deductive reasoning. Anyway I digress....what I ask of people is if they do try my methods is its not only the training part but I need them to do, but to eat a certain way, stretch a certain way, log training weights a certain way etc etc etc. --as Im starting to see people skip other aspects of my recommendations that I feel are important to the mix. You can have the greatest most productive training routine ever but if your eating candy corn and pepsi all day long Im sorry but your not going to gain any appreciable muscle any time soon. With that said I wish you all well with your training endeavors and I hope you keep track of some of the people who train with my methods just for information sake--take care

 

[needsize]

Thanks for the intelligent and well thought out response, thats the way we prefer debates in this forum

 

[casualbb]

I want to take a moment to throw some respect to TheOak. I was reading the thread from page 1, and what I realized is that, despite being badgered by Debaser and having his routine insulted and reposted for mockery, TheOak, instead of getting petty, has actually agreed to try the DC routine. It takes balls to change one's view, especially based on the opposition of someone who is similarly UNwilling to compromise.

-casualbb

 

[Debaser]

Good post DC.

casualbb: well I'm not sure why I'm saying it again because I don't even know how many times I've repeated it, but:

theoak was the reason I typed up the whole DC sticky in the first place. He was telling me he wanted to try it (for a whole 2 weeks) and I said you need to do a program for at least 6-8 weeks. He said fine. So I wrote all of it up and he never did it. I'm glad it's helped so many other people, but his immaturity shined through. I'm hoping he gets his act together.

And you don't think he got petty? Our definitions must vary, for I seem to recall him saying:"with all the shit Debaser eats, i DO believe he gains 2 pounds a week, of FAT, hahaha.. and you are right Blk, i never hear about his routine, or what he lifts.. all i hear is one set this one set that.. or dude, i hear 500g of protien and 1000g of carbs.. " and "dude, stop crying, want me to hold ur hand???"

 

[Thaibox]

Thanks for the intelligent and well thought out response, thats the way we prefer debates in this forum

Exactly

debaser, take notes

 

[spatts]

I thought it was interesting that in the beginning B suggested some moves, and someone came back and said "the accessory work is a given." That's not accessory work...it's possible to increase your full ROM dead without ever deadlifting...powerlifters do it all the time.

Also, someone mentioned increasing ROM to increase strength. This is the exact opposite of what we do to gain strength.

We break it into parts, find the weak part, and bitch slap it.

The only times I have ever done a full ROM/1RM on anything was in a competition, yet my numbers go up every meet.