Clean and Press questions...

[b fold the truth]

WoW!!! Those videos are amazing!!!! Love them!!! Saved them!!!

I gotta get better.

Any suggestions as how to go about increasing my reps on the clean and jerk? One clean...lots of presses/jerks. As of next week I will have the following to train with.
Log (palms facing)
Olympic Bar
2" thick non rotating bar
Viking Press
Dbells

So much to work with...too many toys...lol

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[coolcolj]

well some of the tips I've read from Poliquin that may help for rep count

figure a rep goal to aim for a certain weight.

and then do as many sets to get that number. Over time try to reduce the number of sets it takes to get to that number, until you can do it in one set.

or start with a weight that can achieve that rep count and over time increase the weight while keeping that rep count.

 

[b fold the truth]

Here are two video clips of me training.

301 log clean and press
http://www.clintdarden.com/movies/Event Training Clips/301 log small.mpg

255 log clean and press (6" log is VERY hard to clean)
http://www.clintdarden.com/movies/Training With Dawn/c 255 log press.wmv

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[b fold the truth]

And another clip of me doing 240 for 6 reps a while back...

http://www.clintdarden.com/movies/Event Training Clips/240 log press.mpg

 

[Arioch]

I have a question concerning the push press. In that clip the woman is bending down quite far. I experienced a lot more strength/explosiveness when I only bent my knees a few inches?

This is an individual thing. I go down a bit as well, but my reversal is very fast. I just need a little bit more time in free fall compared to others.

On the other hand, Chermerkin hardly dips at all, and his jerks look like they are shot out of a cannon. Almost no split.

arioch. yeah i see the bar being fairly far away, probably because his legs arent bent enough? if he had more bend in his knees it would keep the bar tracking closer and still keep the bar over the toes.

Well, the bar should just plain be pulled in on the first pull, sometimes as much as 4 cm. The pull is an S-curve. While knee bend will affect this a bit, it is more of a hip angle problem in the pics. His torso is inclined to far, which will result in the bar being somewhat out of postion during the 4th phase.

And that book is OK. The best for the basic references, IMO, is the Training of the Weightlifter, by RA Roman. The best for theory is the Encylopedia by Dreschler.

You can get most of the good Russian texts from www.elitefts.com

I referenced a few of them in the Snatch sticky on the PL board.

The best way to learn the lifts is to actually find a coach.

Go to www.usaweightlifting.org

Go to About

Go to LWC

This will give you the location of a qualified coach near you.

The basics can be taught relatively quickly.

I also started a thread on the PL board entitled OL Basics that has some detail on basic beginning programs.

 

[Arioch]

B-fold, checked out your videos while my network was crashing.

The only thing I can say, aside from the fact that I hope I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, never, ever have to do that, is that perhaps your feet could be closer, which will give you more drive on the push press. If you need to keep your feet that wide when manhandling it into a clean position, you could bring them in before starting your overhead reps.

That looks like it really hurts, and there is no way to properly rack it.

I have more respect for you every time I see one of your clips.

 

[ZZuluZ]

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This is an individual thing. I go down a bit as well, but my reversal is very fast. I just need a little bit more time in free fall compared to others.

On the other hand, Chermerkin hardly dips at all, and his jerks look like they are shot out of a cannon. Almost no split. "

I'm not talking about the CJ tho...just the pushpress.

I only dip like 3 inches. I tried dipping like the first clip with that woman and got ZERO power.

BFold,

Is there a reason why your feet are angled outwards?

Also, this may be a very stupid question:

When you clean the log wouldn't it be easier to do it all in one continuous motion? Seems like you only get to use your upperbody...

 

[bignate73]

The best way to learn the lifts is to actually find a coach.

Go to www.usaweightlifting.org

Go to About

Go to LWC

This will give you the location of a qualified coach near you.

The basics can be taught relatively quickly.

I also started a thread on the PL board entitled OL Basics that has some detail on basic beginning programs.

to be honest. i actually thought about going to the sports coach training in colorado in december. just for my own information. the price isnt bad, and i could be more immersed in the learning. i'll see how time permits later this year.

i read the snatch sticky on there. good stuff, not something you can read just once. excellent post.

 

[Arioch]

I only dip like 3 inches. I tried dipping like the first clip with that woman and got ZERO power.

Principle is the same. Some people just do not need to dip that much.

to be honest. i actually thought about going to the sports coach training in colorado in december. just for my own information. the price isnt bad, and i could be more immersed in the learning. i'll see how time permits later this year.

That is a pretty good idea.

i read the snatch sticky on there. good stuff, not something you can read just once. excellent post.

Glad you like it. Plan on re-working the clean and jerk post after I accomplish 10,000 other things.

 

[b fold the truth]

B-fold, checked out your videos while my network was crashing.

The only thing I can say, aside from the fact that I hope I never, ever, ever, ever, ever, never, ever have to do that, is that perhaps your feet could be closer, which will give you more drive on the push press. If you need to keep your feet that wide when manhandling it into a clean position, you could bring them in before starting your overhead reps.

That looks like it really hurts, and there is no way to properly rack it.

I have more respect for you every time I see one of your clips.

Thank you for the respect...not sure it is warranted...but thank you.

Most people can press whatever they can clean. A wide stance for the clean is pretty much a must. I have tried to change it (too close to a contest) and I tend to be weaker. I can get more of a leg dip with my legs farther apart. Remember that the log sets way out in front of you when pressing...so you have to lean back a bit more..a wider stance feels better.

NOW is the time to change things. Now is the time to work with trial and error...5 weeks out I need to be ready with the style I am gonna use come contest day.

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