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Clean and Press questions...

there was an excellent article in the NSCA journal last month on obstacles in learning/teaching the hang clean. ive dissected it and found others on the net to help me.

Pretty good, except it follows the current USAW club coaching model, which sucks. And the pictures were horrible. The bar should never be as far out in front of you as it is in those photos.

All of the numbers based on the Soviet program can be found in this thread:

http://boards.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?threadid=112181&highlight=cleans+for+cubanito

And rack of the clean is of the utmost importance. Do not wait to start learning it. The speed of the elbow whip is critical, and it takes a long time to learn to do properly, even though the basics can be learned rather quickly.
 
for those who care, which should you big strong fellas ... i forget the dudes name, but i saw a clip of him cleaning and pressing 600+ pounds. like it was cake.

That would be impressive, as I am still waiting for someone to clean and jerk it. Along with the rest of the world.

And for overall strength, I would perform both the press and the jerk. The jerk will give you much greater results wrt explosive power (output from superior jerks being rated at over 7000 watts). However, a certain amount of strength is required, and this can only be developed by heavy pressing.
 
I was goofing around in the Dungeon a couple weeks ago, and having been inspired by a B-fold thread, I tried doing clean and jerks. Arioch would not have called them clean and jerks. He would have called them a very ugly reverse curl followed by a front military press.

I worked up to a whopping 185 lbs, and found that the cleaning part was far more difficult than the pressing part, and I was just standing and pressing it. No split jerk, or any type of technique at all.

I did find, though, that I cannot properly rack the bar. I cannot get the bar to the position where the young lady in the video started and stopped her push press. I have a pretty thick build, with short thick arms, and a big chest and upper back, and cannot for the life of me, get to that position. I ended up supporting the bar in my hands with arm tension the whole time.

I am sure that the above, along with my general whimpiness, attributed to my poor performance. Long story short, nobody is calling me to head up to the olympic training center.

B.
 
power clean and push press

http://138.9.1.58/athleticperformance/exercise videos/Olympic Lift Videos/pc pp.mpg

notice that she jumps? That's how you do it, its a hip move. You basicly jump with the bar and then flip it over. Most people I see doing it just manhandle and reverse curl the bar up.

You only really explode after the bar has clearerd the knees, otherwise your gonna have some bruised knees like I did when I started doing em - and bruised chest too :)
 
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those vids cleared a few questions i had. excellent. i can clearly see the double knee bend now once the bar clears the knees.

arioch. yeah i see the bar being fairly far away, probably because his legs arent bent enough? if he had more bend in his knees it would keep the bar tracking closer and still keep the bar over the toes.
 
BTW, i just ordered "explosive lifting for sports" by harvey newton published by human kinetics. good reference for learning?:confused:
 
Arioch,

I have a question concerning the push press. In that clip the woman is bending down quite far. I experienced a lot more strength/explosiveness when I only bent my knees a few inches?

Normal? Or am I not doing it properly?

-Zulu
 
the more fast twitch fibres you have the less you tend to bend the knees. Short dip means a faster stretch reflex and if you have more fast fibres you can utilise the quicker stretch. Slow twitch people need more time and thus more knee bend to apply power.
 
Did you make this conjecture yourself? Seems unlikely...

I don't see how fast/slow twitch factors into biomechanics, elastic energy, etc...

-Zulu
 
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