CKD diet......starving!

[fireman664]

I have 3 full days in of carb depletion (under 50 per day) according to the strips I am in moderate keto. I plan on cycling up tomorrow (200g or so??? I am 165#s) My question is this. I am hungry all the time. Last night I had about 1.25#'s of lean steak, and some asparagus with olive oil (all on the grill) about an hour later my stomach was growling, and I had hunger pangs. I feel like this is making me take in WAY more calories than I normally do (and I am even on stims which usually kill my appetite) I have put on 1.5#'s in the 3 days, and expected to loose (water). Should I just stay away from this kind of diet altogether?

Thanks

 

[xblitz44x]

How long have you been on the diet? How many calories are you eating per day? How did you set the diet up? I think low-carb diets are solid for cutting but you have to do them right.

 

[jpt]

make sure your not going over like 20g of crabs a day....do that and you should be fine granted your eating enough protein and fat

 

[fireman664]

make sure your not going over like 20g of crabs a day....do that and you should be fine granted your eating enough protein and fat

Thanks, I have been dieting since Jan 17th. Went from 191#'s to 165#'s, went from 21%bf to 8-9% bf (got tested 3 weeks ago in the bod pod and was 10.3%, so 8-9 is a guess since I am down some since then.) I kinda set a goal in the beginning that next weekend (june 25th) was my "contest" date. This is why I am playing with carb depleting then loading....trying to figure out how I will respond. I just was shocked at how hungry I am....all the time.

 

[Ghede]

what does your macro breakdown looklike on the Keto phase? % of fat is XX? are you currently on AAS? what kind and what dose? supps? stims?

 

[Lifterforlife]

I don't know why folks love these keto diets....though they do work, they are very restrictive, and not for everyone. Many go through a brain fog for as long as a couple weeks(depends on the person here).

They are waaayyyyy too restrictive for me. I usually end up with a TKD when dieting for a contest, but that is the only time I use one. CKD's I do not function well.

Anyway, research is showing that there is no need to be "miserable" if you are not going to compete.

ORIGINAL RESEARCH COMMUNICATION

Ketogenic low-carbohydrate diets have no metabolic advantage over nonketogenic low-carbohydrate diets1,2,3
Carol S Johnston, Sherrie L Tjonn, Pamela D Swan, Andrea White, Heather Hutchins and Barry Sears
1 From the Department of Nutrition, Arizona State University, Mesa, AZ (CSJ, PDS, and AW); Conscious Cuisine, Scottsdale, AZ (SLT); and Inflammation Research Foundation, Marblehead, MA (HH and BS)


Background:Low-carbohydrate diets may promote greater weight loss than does the conventional low-fat, high-carbohydrate diet.

Objective:We compared weight loss and biomarker change in adults adhering to a ketogenic low-carbohydrate (KLC) diet or a nonketogenic low-carbohydrate (NLC) diet.

Design:Twenty adults [body mass index (in kg/m2): 34.4 ± 1.0] were randomly assigned to the KLC (60% of energy as fat, beginning with 5% of energy as carbohydrate) or NLC (30% of energy as fat; 40% of energy as carbohydrate) diet. During the 6-wk trial, participants were sedentary, and 24-h intakes were strictly controlled.

Results:Mean (±SE) weight losses (6.3 ± 0.6 and 7.2 ± 0.8 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.324) and fat losses (3.4 and 5.5 kg in KLC and NLC dieters, respectively; P = 0.111) did not differ significantly by group after 6 wk. Blood ß-hydroxybutyrate in the KLC dieters was 3.6 times that in the NLC dieters at week 2 (P = 0.018), and LDL cholesterol was directly correlated with blood ß-hydroxybutyrate (r = 0.297, P = 0.025). Overall, insulin sensitivity and resting energy expenditure increased and serum -glutamyltransferase concentrations decreased in both diet groups during the 6-wk trial (P < 0.05). However, inflammatory risk (arachidonic acid:eicosapentaenoic acid ratios in plasma phospholipids) and perceptions of vigor were more adversely affected by the KLC than by the NLC diet.

Conclusions:KLC and NLC diets were equally effective in reducing body weight and insulin resistance, but the KLC diet was associated with several adverse metabolic and emotional effects. The use of ketogenic diets for weight loss is not warranted.

 

[fireman664]

what does your macro breakdown looklike on the Keto phase? % of fat is XX? are you currently on AAS? what kind and what dose? supps? stims?

I am currently on Tren as only AAS (and almost done)
supps:
T-rex/ECA/clen (cycle 1 at a time)
gluc.
sesa.
levorex
tyr2
some t-3 was in there, but done now
multi-vit
green tea extract

i think thats it...is it enough lol(I'm a walking af store)



diet log...This is a problem....the first 6-8 weeks I logged everything, but since I tended to eat the same foods I stopped keeping a log (had everything memorized). Now that I switched up to completely different meals, I shoulda continued to track.
here is what I had today

3/4 cup eggbeaters, 4 pieces turkey bacon, 4 oz's skim milk (I know, but I LOVE milk)

scoop ANPB

workout

5oz's steak, spinach salad, olive oil dressing (this is usually a shake followed by real food, but I was out of my whey today)

1 scoop muscle milk in H20 (dont usually do this, but again, was starving)

scoop ANPB

1/2 lb 97% lean ground beef with some taco seasoning on a little lettuce, 2% lowfat cheese.


i dont usually get in that much red meat, but that was today. Also, my new brand of ANPB is Smart Balance omega. contains 1000mg omega 3's per serving, and 1300 mg omega 6, and its not bad.


Just a note also, I am into my 4th day of registering in ketosis (peeing on the stick) I have taken a pic everyday at the same time to see if there is a noticable difference, and I just dont see one (well, my tan improved greatly)....going to see how the carb loading phase compares........if its not noticable, I doubt I will try this again, my other way of eating produced great results, and isnt nearly as restrictive (I dont usually eat alot of carbs anyway, so basically all I changed was my morning and 1st snack, since they usually consisted of oats, or maybe even some whole wheat bread....but I cut all that out after 2 pm anyway)

Thanks alot for bearing with me and the advice

 

[NJstacked]

I am currently on Tren as only AAS (and almost done)
supps:
T-rex/ECA/clen (cycle 1 at a time)
gluc.
sesa.
levorex
tyr2
some t-3 was in there, but done now
multi-vit
green tea extract

i think thats it...is it enough lol(I'm a walking af store)



diet log...This is a problem....the first 6-8 weeks I logged everything, but since I tended to eat the same foods I stopped keeping a log (had everything memorized). Now that I switched up to completely different meals, I shoulda continued to track.
here is what I had today

3/4 cup eggbeaters, 4 pieces turkey bacon, 4 oz's skim milk (I know, but I LOVE milk)

scoop ANPB

workout

5oz's steak, spinach salad, olive oil dressing (this is usually a shake followed by real food, but I was out of my whey today)

1 scoop muscle milk in H20 (dont usually do this, but again, was starving)

scoop ANPB

1/2 lb 97% lean ground beef with some taco seasoning on a little lettuce, 2% lowfat cheese.


i dont usually get in that much red meat, but that was today. Also, my new brand of ANPB is Smart Balance omega. contains 1000mg omega 3's per serving, and 1300 mg omega 6, and its not bad.


Just a note also, I am into my 4th day of registering in ketosis (peeing on the stick) I have taken a pic everyday at the same time to see if there is a noticable difference, and I just dont see one (well, my tan improved greatly)....going to see how the carb loading phase compares........if its not noticable, I doubt I will try this again, my other way of eating produced great results, and isnt nearly as restrictive (I dont usually eat alot of carbs anyway, so basically all I changed was my morning and 1st snack, since they usually consisted of oats, or maybe even some whole wheat bread....but I cut all that out after 2 pm anyway)

Thanks alot for bearing with me and the advice

THIS IS NOT A KETO DIET... NOT ENOUGH FAT TOO MANY CARBS

 

[fireman664]

THIS IS NOT A KETO DIET... NOT ENOUGH FAT TOO MANY CARBS

WEll, regardless I am done with it. Did not like it at all, and could see no appreciable results from the torture. I am gonna stick with what has worked for me for the last 22 weeks.

 

[looking to lean]

I tried a Keto diet recently... worked for me for a while til the carb swings kicked my ass and brain. I cant do it. My body needs carbs to function like a normal person.

After losing a bit a weight I switched back to a more conventional low cal diet. I like being able to eat the odd scoop of ice cream