Ceebs' Neurogenex diary.

[Ceebs]

Hot on the heels of Lil K's Thermorexin case study comes my Neurogenex diary. (Although ANYTHING involving both Lil K and I would have to be hot. )

I feel that I'm an interesting candidate for Neurogenex, because my verbal acuity and memory are already very very good, the latter bordering on photographic. (Which is simultaneously a blessing and a curse - ever see "The Time Machine"? I feel like Orlando Jones' character sometimes.) Where I lack is math skills, and ability to multitask.

I took one capsule at 7:50pm this evening, and had the most wretched burp of the contents about ten minutes later. (Valerian root burps are worse, but only slightly.) As I'm typing this post, the words seem to be coming to me easier, and I seem to want to use more parrenetical comments. It's also a good half hour past when I'd normally have dinner, and food doesn't interest me much. What would be supressing my appetite? I don't think there's enough Tyrosine in it to do this... or is it that my brain sees no need for me to get glucose for fuel when the nootropic compounds are nourishing it enough at the moment? Hm.

Anyway, I'm working on a fairly large not-for-profit project right now that involves a lot of Japanese to English translation. The last time I attempted something like this, I pretty much sequestered myself away in my room for two weeks, and bumped caffiene like it was going out of style. Good for getting a lot of work done, not good for my adrenals and kidneys. I'm hoping Neurogenex will give me an edge here, and I won't have to resort to stimulants.

 

[SteelWeaver]

(Although ANYTHING involving both Lil K and I would have to be hot. )

I just have to second this.






btw Ceebs - how come you never mentioned Japanese before (or did I miss it?)? Did you live in Japan? Damn - I wish my Japanese was that good!

 

[Ceebs]

Re: Re: Ceebs' Neurogenex diary.

btw Ceebs - how come you never mentioned Japanese before (or did I miss it?)? Did you live in Japan? Damn - I wish my Japanese was that good!

Watashi no nihongo wa juubun ja nai to iemasu ga. (Translation: I know enough Japanese to say that I don't know very much. And I probably butchered the hell out of the grammar, seppuku-style...) I've never been to Japan, but I'd love to go there someday, either on vacation or for studies.

Day 2 observations: I took one pill each with breakfast and lunch, and have been able to concentrate on things for much longer periods of time. I've never been formally diagnosed with ADD, but I exhibit all of the symptoms. I think a lot of the reason why I've been so fond of anything dopaminergic for years has been self-medication for it. This is a huge bonus in my book, because I'm really trying to wean myself off stimulants.

The disinterest in food observed yesterday evening is continuing - it still doesn't much appeal to me. I'm also uncharacteristically giggly. My sister, who doesn't know I'm supplementing with Neurogenex, pointed out to me that I'm using a lot more big words than usual.

The only negative thing, and I'm not even sure yet this is Neurogenex-related, is that my insomnia has gotten worse. If I'm up until 7am tomorrow morning again, I'll suspect something is afoot...

 

[Ceebs]

Okay, I am far too awake still for this hour.

Neurogenex is a wonderful product, but I've been having neurotransmitter and/or circadian rythmn issues for a good while now - one of those chicken or the egg deals - which I think it may be exacerbating. I'm going to quit taking it for a few days and see if I can't get to bed at a reasonable hour again.

I should make a distinction, though, that unlike stimulant-induced insomnia, there's not a feeling of anxiety or speediness associated with it. It's simply an inability to turn my mind off, a desire to keep accomplishing things while I have the mental capacity to do so. Does that make sense?

Wah. I really like this stuff.

I can't be the only one who's ordered it. Feel free to chime in, ladies. Or gentlemen.

 

[RottenWillow]

Ceebs what ill effects does caffiene have on the adrenals?

 

[Daisy_Girl]

I think caffine basically overstimulates and burns out the adrenal glands. Basically, puts you into "fight or flight" mode constantly and overtaxes your body.

But I ain't no scientist. Maybe one of the experts 'round here can tell you exactly.

 

[Ceebs]

I think caffine basically overstimulates and burns out the adrenal glands. Basically, puts you into "fight or flight" mode constantly and overtaxes your body.

That's about the size of it. Amphetamines do this too, to a greater extent. I've been able to maintain a pretty low tolerance for stimulants - the same dose of ephedrine and caffiene still has the same CNS effect of me now as it did 5 years ago, in other words - and I'd rather quit now before I have a physical addiction, or caused irreversible damage to my pleasure centers.

I didn't take any Neurogenex today, and I'm still feeling positive residual effects with regard to concentration, and how I choose my words. I wonder how long this will last? I asked a question on the Anabolic board about the half-lives of the compounds in it, and got no response.

Thought of the day - if I think therefore I am, if I think more, am I more?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Thought of the day - if I think therefore I am, if I think more, am I more?

official answer-

yes

 

[RottenWillow]

Thanks for the answers guys.

Would caffiene also have the same effect on someone who has ADHD? A very strong cup of coffee calms me. I just discovered coffee about a year ago (Im 20) and it really helps me to sit still and to concentrate. Is there any chance it could have these deliterious effects on my adrenals? Anyone have an idea?

 

[Ceebs]

Is there any chance it could have these deliterious effects on my adrenals? Anyone have an idea?

Over time, and with abnormally high doses, yes. If it's just a cup or two a day, there shouldn't be any lasting damage. Be aware also that caffiene temporarily reduces insulin sensitivity, so your adrenals aren't the only things it could adversely affect. Keep your coffee black if possible, no sugar, no cream, no croissant on the side.

The last couple of days I haven't taken Neurogenex, and I've been awake to see the sun rise anyway. I'm going to give it another try.

 

[DBCooper]

I thought women never burped? j/k lol

 

[Ceebs]

We burp. We just lack the genes to pee standing up, and fart.

 

[DBCooper]

LMAO, anyway good thread always been interested in Neuro stuff and bio-feedback.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

ceebs have you tried p7 for sleep?

 

[Ceebs]

Just to update this...

I was having some insomnia issues, so I quit taking Neurogenex for a few days. I ended up tossing and turning until 7am or so even in its absence, and the amount of acetyl-l-tyrosine the product contains is so small, I don't see how it could be influencing my sleep-wake cycles. (Tyrosine also used to give me panic attacks something fierce, which Neurogenex doesn't.) I'm getting to bed earlier now, despite taking two pills per day again.

In regards to the translation project I mentioned earlier, my comprehension of Japanese is way up, both grammatically and retention of kanji meanings. And when my family had a garage sale this past weekend, I was the one tasked with accounting. Where I'd normally have needed a calculator, I was making change for buyers pretty quickly.

It really irks me that I can't come up with some more succinct way of explaining how Neurogenex works besides saying, "it makes me feel smarter". That is, after all, what the product is supposed to do - increase cognitive preformance - so you'd think I could spit out some epithet. It's hard to quantify intelligence, I guess. Dammit. If I could make an exaggerated comparison, it's similar to the feeling of being sober, versus the mental fog of drunkenness. You just "feel" smarter sober.

ceebs have you tried p7 for sleep?

I tried it for a few days, macro - and stopped because it was making me retain water. I have almost a whole bottle of the mint, and a full trial-size orange left.

 

[Ceebs]

Potential product slogan:

"Neurogenex: Like Astroglide for your dendrites."

 

[spike1205]

is there any problems of withdrawal after stopping?

 

[Ceebs]

is there any problems of withdrawal after stopping?

u mean lik gettin dummber if u stop takin ot?

No. Not that I've observed so far. I didn't take any today, and I feel no worse for the wear.

 

[Night Fly]

I think I may have to try some of this when I get back in school!

Thanks for the info, Ceebs!

Is it pricey or fairly reasonable?

 

[spike1205]

thanks ceebs

 

[macrophage69alpha]

updates?

 

[Ceebs]

updates?

I'd make a joke here about suddenly doing quantum physics, but I think I could pound a whole bottle of Neurogenex and still not be able to wrap my mind around them. (Besides, curing cancer tops my list of what I'd do if I were smart enough...)

Nothing new to report, really, just amazing clarity of thought and elevated mood. I'm still having problems putting into words what it does for me, but it's like night and day. If I didn't mention this earlier, I'm a newbie to nootropics, so my experience may be somewhat more pronounced than someone who's been taking them for awhile. And I believe a good deal of my insomnia had to do with not being in my own bed - isn't one of the treatments for sleep disorders to re-create the exact same conditions every time you get to sleep? Same bed, same time?

I know a lot of you ladies don't venture over to the Anabolic forum, but there's another thread there with Neurogenex feedback: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=251931

I'm tempted to take two at once and see if I experience the change in vision people are talking about...

 

[SteelWeaver]

I'd make a joke here about suddenly doing quantum physics, .

No joke honey - I'M suddenly doing quantum physics and would be happy with ANYTHING that would give me even a tiny fraction more insight - reading a lovely litle primer called "The Ghost in the Atom" - cannot put it down, wishing for something Alice-like to shrink me down there for a closer look. As for curing cancer, don't think quantum physics isn't there - I have a friend who's looking at quantum physics as a leaping off point for a consideration of an equation expressing cure. Believes that DNA exists in a liminal state on the border of the quantum world - unbelievably exciting, thrilling - wish I had a few more brains ...

Soshite, anata no nihongo wa kanarazu juubun da yo! Hatsuon wa dou daroo? Nihon he itte mite! Tashika ni, daiskii na no da!

And my grammar sucks too

Where do you get your hands on the Neurogenex? AF? I need some before my exams in October, heh heh

 

[Ulter]

Right. The AF Store

 

[Ceebs]

Took two Neurogenex at once yesterday, a couple of observations:

Vision was definitely altered for a couple of hours. You know how when you focus on an object for a little while, an outline of it appears in your vision? That phenomenon was happening when I'd look at something for more than a couple of seconds. Interesting. No change in color or light perception. I've never done any psychedelics, but if that's kind of what having a trip is like...

Also, a double dose seems to burn through acetylcholine powerfully fast, and even made me mildly nauseous (the Piracetam, maybe?). I had to double up my choline supplementation to keep from feeling uneasy. For that reason, I will not be taking a double dose again, when one seems to elicit just the right amount of nootropic effect with no dysphoria.

And Steel, I love you, girl, but you lost me after "juubun da yo". I'd probably understand if it were written in Japanese - I wonder if Elite supports Japanese fonts?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

the effect may also be due to increased dopamine.. hard to say

 

[Ceebs]

the effect may also be due to increased dopamine.. hard to say

It's completely manageable by eating a small amount of something carb-rich and low-glycemic (like a small orange bell pepper or handful of blueberries), and in no way does it take away from the product's benefits. Though it does seem to elicit a greater cognitive boost the less food I have in my stomach...

I notice an additional nootropic effect the more choline I take even with single doses (750 mg - 1 gram), plus Siberian Ginseng. Ahhhh...

 

[Sassy69]

Ceebs -

Did you experience any dehydration at all? I took the first one around 2 pm today - I took 2 diphenhydromine (OTC sleeping aids) last nite & slept great, and also slept in. I got up & at 'em, went out for lunch, ran some errands & drove home in a rain storm and then I just started getting flaky.

I took the 1 pill at 2-ish pm & it got me going again, but I started getting flaky again around 6 pm. The question of nap or gym came up. Nap won, except I got a phone call & ended up just staring at the tv. I'm getting ready to drop off here really soon, which is good (insomnia overcome! i hope). I did notice that my throat is really dry - not raspy but it feels very dry. I had a couple diet cokes today, but lots of water. Very strange.

Tomorrow I'll be hitting the N-nex earier in the day to see if I can stop being flaky. I have a VERY big drive ahead of me in 2 weeks so I'm hoping to get my mental focus in order by then.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

updates?

 

[Ceebs]

After a month of supplementing with Neurogenex, these are my observations:

1. It definitely works. My memory, verbal skills, ability to concentrate, sense of humor, and even my reflexes (particularly with my left hand, which is normally clumsy) are better. Several people who don't know I'm taking it have commented on these improvements.

2. It works best on an empty stomach.

3. More does not work better for me, more makes me nauseous and restless. It's nice to be able to use a supplement sparingly (2 caps a day, which is 2/3 the recommended dose) and still get a quantifiable boost.

4. It makes food less interesting to me, quite a feat.

5. Taking choline, inositol, siberian ginseng, and a B spectrum vitamin with Neurogenex add to the nootropic effect. I would still like to try stacking it with other nootropics, just for the experience, namely adrafinil, acetyl-l-carnitine, and vinpocetine. But if it ain't broke...

6. It seems to potentiate the effects of caffiene, and vice versa. I haven't tried it with other stimulants.

7. The initial insomnia could have been caused by any number of environmental or physiological things, and went away on its own. I'm getting a full night's sleep and feeling wonderful when I wake up. I recall Fonz saying on the Anabolic forum that he was significantly less groggy when he first woke up - I've noticed that too. I used to need to get some food and/or caffiene in me before I was any good in the morning, now I'm pretty lucid upon awakening.

All around very pleased with my purchase, and will be re-ordering when my bottle runs out.

Sassy - no dehydration. I drink about a gallon and a half of water every day, though. How did your drive go?

 

[Fonz]

1. Adding 10-20mg Vinpocetine to the 3 caps/Neurogenex/day will make your visual acuity much better.

i.e. If you play a sport were you have to track moving objects...i.e. soccer , volleyball, american football, your ability to track fast moving objects will def. improve.

2. Adding 3-5g Acetyl-L-Carnitine to the Neurogenex spaced out will improve your response times(reflexes), which is directly related to the increase in your visual acuity(Vinpo).

3. Adding choline(pure)1g, in the form of Choline citrate(35% Choline) or Alpha-GPC(50% Choline) will boost ALCar's effectiveness by some margin(I was not able to quantify this exactkly).

This is obviously all directed to athletic ability, or mobility if you don't play sports.

Fonz

 

[Ulter]

CEEBS Thanks for all the posting you've done on your results.

 

[Ceebs]

CEEBS Thanks for all the posting you've done on your results.

Thank YOU for bringing products to market that enrich my life, that I normally would not have been able to try.

 

[Sassy69]

Well, I covered 2100 miles in 3 3/4 days of across the wonderful country of ours. Aside from developing a slightly sore back and requiring a book-on-CD to avoid pure boredom through Illinois, I stayed alert enough to get me, my car, my cat & everything I own safely home in an amazingly short time. The dose was 1 N-gex at 8 am and another around 1 pm. I got a slight sort of tension headache in the lower back part of my head about 30 after taking a pill, but otherwise I am VERY impressed.

Thx Ulter!

 

[rickbender]

Ingredients in neurogenex

I was looking at the ingredients for Neurogenex and saw gelation and magnesium stearate. Do you know if these are from animal or vegetable source? Especially the stearate... I presume the gelatin is in the capsule so can be bypassed by removing the powder from it. Is the magnesium stearate in the mixture or the capsule.

(looking for kosher stuff).

Thanks

 

[macrophage69alpha]

as in your other post beleive that magnesium stearate is kosher.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

^

 

[SteelWeaver]

Anyone here ever experience emotional outbursts after taking neurogenex?

I took my first cap this morning, then went to school, and 2 minutes into the first lecture just about tore the girl behind me in half or continuing to chat after the lecture had started. Admittedly, the chatting has been an ongoing prob. the whole year, but I really snapped.

Then went to sort out some admin at the faculty office and ended up bursting into tears there. This is unusual behaviour for me when not dieting or PMS'ing. I also passed out for two hours in the library during a break between lectures ..... and I definitely don't feel any more able to concentrate.

 

[Ceebs]

No, not at all. If anything, it has a mild antidepressant effect for me.

Do you get this way when you have dopaminergic compounds, Steel? It causes somewhat of a dopamine spike: http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=264736&highlight=neurogenex+dopamine

 

[MissChris]

I also passed out for two hours in the library during a break between lectures ..... and I definitely don't feel any more able to concentrate.

Same here. I've gone through the sample pack, but every time I took it, it made me either very sleepy or just plain zombie-like, mentally. I could not force myself to focus in class at all. I also tried it when I really needed to buckle down and do some serious studying one night...ended up passed out on my bed shortly thereafter.

I wonder what could be interfering with it, or if I'm just not going to respond well to it regardless.

 

[Ceebs]

Same here. I've gone through the sample pack, but every time I took it, it made me either very sleepy or just plain zombie-like, mentally. I could not force myself to focus in class at all. I also tried it when I really needed to buckle down and do some serious studying one night...ended up passed out on my bed shortly thereafter.

At least you didn't get insomnia from it.

There's a phenomenon called paradoxical pharmacology where stimulants elicit a depressant effect, and vice versa. This could be the force at work. Or maybe there's a huge fast influx of stimulatory neurotransmitters that your brain isn't used to, whence your cognitive abilities have temporarily increased beyond your brain's ability to use them. Try opening the cap and dumping out half into an empty capsule? It's possible that it's too much at once.

I'll quit hypothesizing and let Dr. macro chime in.

 

[SteelWeaver]

No no Ceebs - your hypotheses are welcome anytime Well, today wasn't as bad as yesterday, but I still ended up passed out for longish periods when I normally wouldn't have been. And worse, have been eating a whole lotta junk - half a box of chocolate cookies, for eg ..., choc brownie .... Jeez, I'm not normally like this. (Oh, and although I passed out AFTER those, I passed out before too, so no special effect here).

I have some of my own hypotheses - dunno anything about dopamine, etc, but I DID do my first ever PL comp on Sunday, so I'm wondering if that didn't just kick my ass pretty hard, and that's why I've been inordinately hungry and tired. Any PL's have this experience?

The other possible explanation for the cookie munching is possible PMS, but if it is, it's 10 days early, also unusual, so I don't think that. Just don't know, but will see what happens after I get some real decent sleep tonight. But I'm not popping those things before training tomorrow, that's for sure!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

could very well be a choline deficiency. especially if you eat a low fat diet.

do you eat..
eggs, meat, fish, nuts, legumes, or soy?

 

[SteelWeaver]

I'm veggie, so I don't eat meat or fish, but I eat lots of egg whites, one egg yolk per day, tbsn flax seeds, about half an ounce walnuts, staple carbs are legumes and oatmeal, eat soy now & then, and I snack a lot on other nuts ... and peanut butter, yum.

I just took first cap today, so will see what happens in the next few hours. I have some serious studying to do.

 

[Ulter]

Hey girl!! Don't leave me hanging. What happened today?

 

[SteelWeaver]

Ha ha. Sorry Ulter. Actually - last couple of days have been OK. I have the feeling that the unusual sleeping and sugar eating behaviour the first few days of the week were related to my PL comp. Sunday - I think it just REALLLY took much more out of me than I expected it to. Wow - so that's PL!

So I haven't been passing out at odd times anymore, but otherwise don't really notice much difference in cognitive abilities, reflexes, ability to concentrate - anything like that. Still on 2 caps a day. My snatch went up 5 kilos in about 10 days, which is a big jump. Don't know what that's related to. Anyway, will continue to monitor, see how things progress.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Still on 2 caps a day. My snatch went up 5 kilos in about 10 days, which is a big jump. Don't know what that's related to. Anyway, will continue to monitor, see how things progress.

that may be a improved CNS effect.. certainly sounds like it

 

[SteelWeaver]

Yeah, I was kind of wondering about that - OL is very "mental" in that sense, and at this stage, 5kgs is an 11% increase. Now, I wonder how my chem test will be tomorrow ...

 

[Ceebs]

...And strength in general is mostly neural - actual contractile tissue hypertrophy comes later.

Good luck with your chem test!

 

[Ceebs]

I love Neurogenex.

 

[PBR]

ok Ceebs...I ordered some Nero today...will keep you posted...

 

[Ceebs]

Please do - the more I take it, the more I like it. I hope it's the same for you.

I'm taking it stacked with Thermorexin presently (which has nootropics in it as well), and my cognitive abiities compared to a few months ago are - for lack of a better word - wow. Memory is awesome, sense of humor has never been better, my ability to learn and retain information is up, mood is elevated, concentration is greatly improved... I should have hopped on the smart drug wagon a long time ago.

 

[PBR]

Ceebs do you think that it would be wise to go ahead and add the thermo now?? or should I start with just the nero and see how that goes??? dont have any thing real important coming up at the moment....thanks for your time and your posts!!!!

 

[dzulboy]

ceebs your avatar scares me

 

[Ceebs]

Ceebs do you think that it would be wise to go ahead and add the thermo now?? or should I start with just the nero and see how that goes???

What are your goals? Are you cutting?

I would see how the Neurogenex affects you first, since caffiene (and possibly the other stimulatory compounds in Thermorexin as well) seems to potentiate the effects of smart drugs, and vice versa. I take two Thermorexin upon waking with a Neurogenex, then one of each again about an hour after lunch, and that's enough to keep me bright-eyed and bushy-tailed all day.

Start sloooow - see my post about double-dosing earlier in the thread when I wasn't accustomed to nootropics.

 

[RottenWillow]

There's a phenomenon called paradoxical pharmacology where stimulants elicit a depressant effect...

Until 2002 this was the only method for treating ADHD. All of the meds were stimulants, like Strattera which I take. And there are other examples too. Some people, my mother for example, will be up all night with insomnia and hyperactivity with they take a dyphemhydromine will is the most common OTC sleep aid.


I couldnt agree with with the start slow advice. Proceed with bigtime caution until you determine how all this stuff is going to effect you.

 

[PBR]

Until 2002 this was the only method for treating ADHD. All of the meds were stimulants, like Strattera which I take. And there are other examples too. Some people, my mother for example, will be up all night with insomnia and hyperactivity with they take a dyphemhydromine will is the most common OTC sleep aid.


I couldnt agree with with the start slow advice. Proceed with bigtime caution until you determine how all this stuff is going to effect you.

thanks ANYA...you know whats weird...if I take any OTC aid for sleep, Iam wasted the next day...really bad...moody too...then to counter that FOGGY state of mind, I have to use a thermo of some sort to get back to normal, then I have to deal with the crash...SO...I dont go there at all....now its a benedryl with ibouprofin....sleep well, no sides at all....do you know of anything healthy for sleep????

 

[SteelWeaver]

Ceebs - those visual disturbances you and/or MS mentioned a while ago .... what sort of thing was happening?

I wear glasses most of the time - I've had some allergy problems with contacts lately, so have had to quit them - but I'm having this thing whereby I'm seeing double - well, sort of double - like one eye isn't keeping up with the other kind of feeling. It's weird - it seems like there's only one particular angle I can see properly out of my glasses with ... Now I know you're probably thinking, well, doh! go get the glasses checked, but there's other stuff involved. I'm very very stressed at the moment with finals coming up in 2 weeks and never-ending tests still going on, so I also haven't been getting much sleep. The visual thing was absolutely the worst last Friday when I got about 4 hrs sleep. I was convinced I needed new glasses, until Sunday, when I had had a chance to sleep for 12 hours - no seeing double all of Sunday - but it's back today 5 hours sleep.

And I'm opposite to you in ever thing else - highly emotional, grumpy, concentration off, ability to memorise stuff was always good, and no better or worse now, but calculations, if anything, seem to be getting harder.

Trying to read fractions of ml off a burette in chem prac exam today was a nightmare - eventually just closed one eye and hoped it wouldn't skew anything

PBR - I've heard of people using GHB for sleep, or even 5-HTP I think. I find reading a reeeeeaaaallly boring book works wonders though Or milk & cookies, heh heh.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

steelweaver,

what is your diet like?
particularly fat intake ?

 

[PBR]

Steele....thanks...I have to admit I used GHB alot a few years ago...unfortunately-I like it....however, the most sleep I could attain was about 4-5 hours ....very cool stuff...very bad for you and extremely addictive....cannot get it anymore....maybe thats a good thing....perhaps I will try the 5 HTP.... some girl at the health food store gave me coral calcium....I was racing on it!!! tossed and turned all night.....????

 

[macrophage69alpha]

some girl at the health food store gave me coral calcium....I was racing on it!!! tossed and turned all night.....????

placebo, or contaminated or magnesium depletion/interference (see below).

there is no difference between calcium and coral calcium...

though magnesium will help with sleep (since calcium affect magnesium this may have been an issue

 

[SteelWeaver]

Yeah, PBR - I hear you on the addiction thing - I've had my own issues with that - thank god I'm now only addicted to training and studying I've never tried GHB myself, actually - just heard folks around the boards talking about it. I wouldn't normally recommend mind-altering substances I take homemade ZMA every night - magnesium, zinc and B6, and I read physics and chemistry textbooks right before bed - puts me out like a light!

Macro - I'm pretty much on maintenance right now - waiting to finish exams before I do some much-needed cutting. I'm vegetarian, eat approximately 40/40/20 P:C:F, sometimes higher fat, lower carb, proteins mainly from egg whites, powders and cottage cheese. Fat is somewhere between 40 and maybe 80 grams a day - depends on if I decide to snack on cashews or not, but I'd say it's generally higher rather than lower, but there isn't much incidental fat in what I eat, so what I get is eaten on purpose, and mostly unsaturated. From walnuts, peanut butter, some in low-fat c.ch, flax seeds, very occasionally cheese ... that's about it.

Something else - the vision thing seems to be at its worst when I'm most stressed - dunno if that means anything. Didn't have any problems today, but yesterday was horrible.

What's the fat connection?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

What's the fat connection?

choline

 

[PBR]

Ceebs!!! ok, Ive been on Neurogenex for about 3 wks...I have not been able to use more than 1 capsule per day...It makes me quiet and mean!! Ive spread out doses, doesnt work...this is what Iam doing: 2 tabs of SAM-E @ 400mgs and 1 Neuro in AM. 1 SAM-E @ 200mgs in AFTERNOON...this makes me feel good...SAM-E has changed my life for the better....Neuro is awesome at 1 cap...Iam articulate, talkative, memory works well and mood is great...feel sharp and able to maintain alertness at work for long periods of time....trouble is- cant increase dosage...maybe thats good and alot cheaper!! any thoughts on this??

 

[Ceebs]

Sam-e raises dopamine. Some of the ingredients in Neurogenex also raise dopamine. Maybe you're having dopamine overload, ergo you get dopamean.

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I'm thinking good and a lot cheaper.

I really need to reorder...

 

[PBR]

I will definitely re-up...forgot to mention, that 2 caps sometimes nearly makes me unable to speak correctly...thought process goes way too fast and my speech is unable to keep up...very weird and took me by surprise...I also became very agressive, with everything, and it was not agro like being on juice- more like I wasnt afraid of anything -to a point I was overly confident with everything...that in itself made me quiet, as I was afraid to open my mouth and say anything at all...just pointing out some different reactions to this stuff...the product works well...maybe I will try 2 caps at one time in the AM to see what happens...on a non-work day!!! funny response BTW Ceebs....

 

[Ceebs]

Another update...

I was up to 3-4 pills a day before I ran out a few weeks ago, and went off cold turkey with no crash - I just felt like I had less dopamine, if one can quanitify that. My order of more came today, and once again, the cognitive effect is immediate and significant. I've had all sorts of ideas this evening - business ideas, nice little things I can do for people, jewelry design ideas (I made the necklace I'm wearing here), et cetera.

Also, nootropic effects aside, it became unparalleled to me as an antidepressant the longer I took it. I was a big fan of Sam-e and 5-hydroxy-tryptophan before, but Neurogenex blows it away. Very unexpected benefit. I probably have neurotransmitter imbalance issues (either genetically or from years of taking ephedrine off and on, as previously mentioned in this thread) which Neurogenex is correcting. The optimism is almost overwhelming.

How are you doing, PBR?

 

[PBR]

Hey Ceebs...been working my ass off....still only using 1 cap a day of neuro...and 400mgs of sam...I too have taken ephedrine for years...what a change to have all that out of my system...Iam having the same results as you are, with the anti-depressant action of neuro....its great...I did not realize how screwed up I was from ephedrine, been off now for over 6 months.... I really want to try to up my dosage to 2 caps a day of neuro-maybe over holidays-work has been crazy...Iam very happy with this product and will continue to use it....I like your necklace Ceebs-pm me if you retail...I like your work...

 

[Ceebs]

I don't retail - yet - but if there's something you want me to custom make for the lady in your life, I'd do it for the cost of materials. I also have a few made that I've never worn, just wanted to create them for the joy of creation, which I'd part with.

 

[Mr Ron Coleman]

I took one capsule at 7:50pm this evening, and had the most wretched burp of the contents about ten minutes later. (Valerian root burps are worse, but only slightly.) As I'm typing this post, the words seem to be coming to me easier, and I seem to want to use more parrenetical comments. It's also a good half hour past when I'd normally have dinner, and food doesn't interest me much. What would be supressing my appetite? I don't think there's enough Tyrosine in it to do this... or is it that my brain sees no need for me to get glucose for fuel when the nootropic compounds are nourishing it enough at the moment? Hm.

I'm thinking the long term effectiveness of a supp like this would wear off very fast..very.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

that thinking would not be neurogenex driven, or in other words, thinking that is not reflective of actual results.

 

[PBR]

I don't retail - yet - but if there's something you want me to custom make for the lady in your life, I'd do it for the cost of materials. I also have a few made that I've never worn, just wanted to create them for the joy of creation, which I'd part with.

hey ceebs, pics of any work if you have them..????.cool stuff..

 

[Ceebs]

hey ceebs, pics of any work if you have them..????.cool stuff..

I took pictures of all of them just for you, check my gallery. The graduated amethyst spears necklace took the most work - I'm working on a similar necklace right now with some lovely red branch coral, I just need to decide which spacer beads to use.

As for the ersatz Mr. Coleman, if you had read the whole thread, you would know that the effectiveness of Neurogenex did not wear off with time.

 

[PBR]

ceebs youre so sweet...thx

 

[macrophage69alpha]

updates?

 

[macrophage69alpha]

updates?

particularly with the newer 120ct formula

 

[macrophage69alpha]

 

[OMEGA]

what happened to Ceebs

 

[macrophage69alpha]

??

 

[jenscats5]

what happened to Ceebs

She left EF a while ago.....

 

[OMEGA]

She left EF a while ago.....

yes but why?

 

[jenscats5]

yes but why?

No clue....

 

[OMEGA]

she left right after meet up in San Diego from what I remember

it was a meet up with mostly irontrybe people

she left that board a well

 

[Sassy69]

Yep she stepped out a while ago - people wondered what happened & if she was ok. Not sure how that all turned out - but its definitely been a while.

 

[OMEGA]

Ceebs and Huck were my fav

 

[macrophage69alpha]

unfortunate...