Casein???????

[buffal2001]

I know casein in milk is a slower absorbed protein due to the lactose. As i understand casein is absorbed over a longer period of time.......as you cant normally absorb over 40gs of normal protein (in one serving)im just wondering, if you consume over 40grams of casein does is there much excess to be changed to simple energy giving molecules?????? Due to the fact that it is a slower release protein, does it all get absorbed but over a longer period of time???????? Just wondering...........maybe a stupid question......................anybody know exactly??????

 

[Enock]

as you cant normally absorb over 40gs of normal protein (in one serving)

Bull shit you can't

yes some of the protein is going to be utilized as energy instead of muscle synthesis at an increassing rate as you increase the protien, however if say along with that protein you also ate a good deal of carbs. Your body is going to utilize those carbs as energy before it turns to the protien to burn. The protien will just sit around in your stomach longer untill it can be metabolized.

What I'm getting at is this

IF you ate all you protien in the morning and only that yes alot would go to waste because what else does it have to run on, it wil use the protien.


If in the morning you ate all your protien and also a shit load of carbs, your bobdy will use the carbs first as energy allowing more of the protien to be used as energy in thei case, you can actually get you entire days protein in in just one meal. Do you actually think that if you only ate one meal a day but you got all your protiens carbs fats ect.. your body is only going to be able to process 40grams of the protien bull shit. ITs going to take a long time to digest it the human body is extremely adaptive while this eating pattern is not optimal the body does get by.


I hate those state the body can only use X protein at a time thats bull shit. You body adapts remarkably well. hell if you ate mainly carbs through out the day but then crammed all your protien in the end, trust me the body will learn to utilize more than 40grams of it. Its not the most optimal usage but saying that the BODY CANT is just plain ill informed.


If you read some articles on protein cycling you may begin to understand how adaptive the body is.

Its also not the lactose that causes it to digest slowly, lactose is the sugar in milk.

I'm not going off on you I just hate this use x protein at a time crap.

X protein over X time is more appropriate.

Can my body utilize 2 meals of protein 60grams each probablly.

Can my body utilize 12 meals of protein 35grams each probably not.

 

[abrocketsfan]

actually, enock, your equation is flawed...

X protein over X time suggests that the amount of time and the amount of protein are equal, since you have the same variable (X), representing both items.

A more appropriate equation would be X protein over Y time

 

[bigmag]

casien is best taken before you go to sleep. That way it will digest slower and you will absorb all of it. If you take it with carbs it won't affect anything accept that the carbs are digested a little slower. The protein won't be waiting around in your stomach as stated earlier. Once your body has used all the protein it needs, the rest goes to the kidneys and is later converted to calories.

 

[Enock]

Once your body has used all the protein it needs, the rest goes to the kidneys and is later converted to calories.

YES of course, think if you only took in to meals of 80 protein for example it would all be used,

If you took in 12 meals of 35 protein, despite the fact that you spread it out gluconesis, will occur.

!!extra protien will convert yes!!

Hydrogen in the protein slowly leave the body, picture it as a bucket,

Say every hour your lose 5 protien worth of hydrogen.(hydrogen is the main element seperating protien from the other categories)

process A
100
95
80
eat 40 grams 100
95 +5
95 +5
food in stomach gone (10 protein wasted)
100
repeat cycle


Now picture larger meals
Process B
100
95
80
75
70
(protein feeds less frequent)
eat 60 grams 100
95+5
95+5
95+5 (takes longer to digest more food)
food in stomach gone (15 wasted)
100


Now if both these processes were to occur, reapeatedly

consuming process A 60 grams of protien you would lose 30 and have fed 3 times

consuming process B 60 grams of protien you would lose 30 and have fed 2 times


Now, both net you the same waste of protein, the difference method A allow for a more stable and over all higher hydrogen balance through out the day.

 

[Enock]

just going to add, the inacuracy in the processes

When the food is eaten you would not sut jump up from 80 to 100 or 70 to 100 ect... it would rise slowly as the food was being digested and used.

Since when the actual food is in your stomach and undigested and the hydrogen cannot be considered part of the system.

I'm not argueing the use of fast/slow digest proteins my illistration can only further show the importance of them.

Being in a larger dip I.e. after training you would want the +hydrogen to increase the fastest, getting you back up to the 100 mark as fast as possible, unfortunatly that which increases the hydrogen balance also digestes the fastest (reason why it increases the fastest).

For example in the above process perhap whey shakes instead of taking 3 turns to fizzle out would take 1 turn, of course varying for the amount taken in would also effect its total digestion time since there would be more to digest.


So why slow digestion proteins, simple,

It can keep you at the peak of hydrogen balance for the longest time since it sticks around the longest being digested is there to offer its +5 for example when your natuarally lose 5.

 

[MR. BMJ]

The protein will just take longer to digest, but eventually with time it will. As long as one is ingesting carbs in his or her diet, then the protein has no reason to undergo gluconeogenesis.

MR. BMJ

 

[buffal2001]

cheers guys...........i really was under the impression that you could only absorb X amount of protein in one serving due to a friend that told me...ne way what you say does make sense......cheers for puttin me right!

 

[Enock]

oops change that hydrogen to nitrogen DOH! don't know what I was thinking