Cardio Sucks! Who Hates Cardio?

[satchboogie]

NELSON....

that dude on the cover of THE BODYBUILDING TRUTH......shreded beef!!!!!!!

godamn it, i'm jealous.
thats' not you is it?

 

[Nelson Montana]

So is it your assertion that weight training will better prepare someone for a triathlon than a combination of running, cycling and swimming?
If so that's an absolutely ludicrous thought. ....................................

Who said THAT? Of course if you have a specific event you must train in that manner. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Bulldog: You seem to have some things on the ball, but I'm not sure if you're always sincere, confused or just looking to break balls. It seems no matter how much evidence I present, it's never enough.

Another thing that would behoove everyone is to trust their sense of logic above all. Someone posted a thread to T-mag where some of the coaches are saying what I've said all along. (Staley's comments are almost word for word what I wrote about 5 years ago) So tell me...if I used that interview as a reference, do my methods suddenly have validity? In other words, is something true because it's true? Or is it only true if someone else concurs?

I'm not trying to get all philisophical on everyone but there are some fundemental concepts at play here. Instead of reacting to bits and pieces of what is being said, try to take in the information, process it, think some more, and then maybe things will make sense -- or at least get you curious to further explore the theory. All too often people get defensive, snap back with what they believe, or have heard before, ask for "studies" or make accusations that the information isn't as comprehensive as they would like. And then they get insulting! Cut some slack, you know. I said it before and I'll say it again: I'm not here to be everyone or anyone's research gopher. And I ain't just some kid with a gym membership and a computer.

I've been at this game longer than you've been alive Bulldog. I've done business with most everyone from Dave Draper to Darrem Charles to Dan Duchaine. I don't expect you to agree with everything, but pay some props bro.

 

[Bulldog_10]

So is it your assertion that weight training will better prepare someone for a triathlon than a combination of running, cycling and swimming?
If so that's an absolutely ludicrous thought. ....................................

Who said THAT? Of course if you have a specific event you must train in that manner. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

Bulldog: You seem to have some things on the ball, but I'm not sure if you're always sincere, confused or just looking to break balls. It seems no matter how much evidence I present, it's never enough.

Another thing that would behoove everyone is to trust their sense of logic above all. Someone posted a thread to T-mag where some of the coaches are saying what I've said all along. (Staley's comments are almost word for word what I wrote about 5 years ago) So tell me...if I used that interview as a reference, do my methods suddenly have validity? In other words, is something true because it's true? Or is it only true if someone else concurs?

I'm not trying to get all philisophical on everyone but there are some fundemental concepts at play here. Instead of reacting to bits and pieces of what is being said, try to take in the information, process it, think some more, and then maybe things will make sense -- or at least get you curious to further explore the theory. All too often people get defensive, snap back with what they believe, or have heard before, ask for "studies" or make accusations that the information isn't as comprehensive as they would like. And then they get insulting! Cut some slack, you know. I said it before and I'll say it again: I'm not here to be everyone or anyone's research gopher. And I ain't just some kid with a gym membership and a computer.

I've been at this game longer than you've been alive Bulldog. I've done business with most everyone from Dave Draper to Darrem Charles to Dan Duchaine. I don't expect you to agree with everything, but pay some props bro.

I know you've been around the block and back...but you can't just rely on ideas...sometimes things need to be proven. And in this day and age, we can study just about anything we want with all of our technology. I do the same thing you do, I know the basics and the not so basics of the body, and when someone asks a question, I use that to try and give the best answer I feel possible.

And when they disagree, or ask why I think that...I either present a study or two about it, or I at least give my reasoning behind it. I don't just say something like "cardio is a waste of time and energy" or "There is absolutely no evidence that cardio is any better for the heart than any other exercise, be it walking, weight training, or playing sports" and not back it up.

Now, I disagree that cardio is a waste, and that it is not more beneficial to the heart then other activities...and here are my reasons:

Endurance training causes increased size of coronary vascular beds = improved blood flow to the heart.

The diameter of coronary arteries is also increased providing more (and easier) blood flow to the heart during exercise. In a study done on ultramarathon runners and sedentary people, it was shown that the ability of the coronary arteries to dilate was twice as great in the marathoners.

Endurance training also increases the plasma volume, while keeping the RBC count nearly the same (maybe a bit higher in some people) which means less viscous blood = easier oxygen transport.

maximal cardiac output is increased, resting HR is lowered ("training bradycardia", due to an increase in stroke volume at rest).

VO2max is increased.

The heart consumes less oxygen (lower RPP) at rest and at submax workrates following an endurance training program, meaning it is working more efficiently.



There is plenty more of information like that, and studies that have been done on it, but I lost access to the electronic indexes that I usually use to find studies online.

I really don't mean to give you a hard time Nelson, it just fristrates me when I disagree with someone and they refuse to explain their reasoning...and you just happen to be someone who does it pretty often...I don't know if it's because all this info is in your book, and you don't want to give it away, but it just gets to me.

Anyways, nothing personal bro...I don't even know you, just your internet persona. So if I seem like I'm being a dick, I apologize. I just like to learn, and if you have reasons why I am wrong, I'd love to know about them so I can investigate it further, and learn what's right.

You've been around for a lot longer than I have, and you obviously have more personal experience than I do...but I feel I have a pretty solid knowledge base on the human body and it's responses to different types of exercise, and drugs to a lesser degree.

If you have reasons to refute something I've learned, or theorized...then by all means, I'd love to know about them...I'm not against new knowledge.

 

[JUICESEEKER]

I think cardio might be a waste of time because, why go through a grueling 30 mins on the cardio feeling tired and only burning a mere 500 calories? You might as well miss a meal and lose 500 cals right there.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I think cardio might be a waste of time because, why go through a grueling 30 mins on the cardio feeling tired and only burning a mere 500 calories? You might as well miss a meal and lose 500 cals right there.

Did you read my post at all?!?! It's not just about the calories burned during the workout...it's about the adaptations the body makes.

 

[Bulldog_10]

I think this is the part of the thread where we ask Bob Hope what HE would say about cardio. Being that he's now *100* years old and healthy as a mule and outlived sprinters, bodybuilders, dieters and vegeterians:

"CARDIO SUCKS, i say!"

he has spoketh.

-= nav =-

genetics also plays a role...but just because someone lives a long time without cardio, doesn't mean cardio is useless. Maybe Bob could live to 200 if he'd been more active...we'll just never know.

So many more factors go into longevity than just activity level...although I do think activity level has a large impact.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Doesn't matter. He still says it sucks.

-= nav =-

hahah...bob is starting to sound like nelson!

Just kiddin Nelson

 

[poantrex]

I think cardio might be a waste of time because, why go through a grueling 30 mins on the cardio feeling tired and only burning a mere 500 calories? You might as well miss a meal and lose 500 cals right there.

Improved insulin sensitivity? Improved cardiovascular health? Not to mention the facts that bulldog mentioned?

 

[Nelson Montana]

"CARDIO SUCKS, i say!"

he has spoketh.

-= nav =- [/B][/QUOTE].................


Now THAT'S funny!

Bulldog: Every one of the reasons you stated can also be applied to weight training.

One compared EXERCISE but didn't mention which kind. You see, YOU put the pieces together to make it mean CARDIO when that wasn't the case at all. Another compared exercise to a sedentary lifestyle. Again, that has nothing to do with any benifit of CARDIO over weight training. Are you starting to understand?

Yeah, Bob Hope would have lived longer if he did cardio. LOL! Some people don't know when to let a losing argument go.

 

[Bulldog_10]

"CARDIO SUCKS, i say!"

he has spoketh.

-= nav =-

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Now THAT'S funny!

Bulldog: Every one of the reasons you stated can also be applied to weight training.

One compared EXERCISE but didn't mention which kind. You see, YOU put the pieces together to make it mean CARDIO when that wasn't the case at all. Another compared exercise to a sedentary lifestyle. Again, that has nothing to do with any benifit of CARDIO over weight training. Are you starting to understand?

Yeah, Bob Hope would have lived longer if he did cardio. LOL! Some people don't know when to let a losing argument go. [/B][/QUOTE]

Actually that stuff was about ENDURANCE training...which RESISTANCE training is not.