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Bench Press....... Yay or Nay

Bench Press Barbell

  • yay

    Votes: 34 60.7%
  • Nay

    Votes: 22 39.3%

  • Total voters
    56
The_Eviscerator said:
It isn't your shoulders that are fucked up, it is probably your form. Your scapulas should be tight as a drum touching each other during the lift and they should not flare out. Your ass and your upper back should be touching the bench. You should grab the bar at a comfortable width and try to pull the bar apart as you are doing the lift. If you follow these recommendations your shoulders should feel much better.

Believe me I had the same problem years ago and my form was the culprit. Now 5 years later I have no shoulder pain whatsoever.

Excellent advice. I thought I would never be able to bench again until someone on MFW posted what proper form was. I started back up with only one plate and have worked my way back up to a comfortable 275. I want to push 3 plates again but I'm taking it slowly and working on form.
 
gorilla_boy said:


Excellent advice. I thought I would never be able to bench again until someone on MFW posted what proper form was. I started back up with only one plate and have worked my way back up to a comfortable 275. I want to push 3 plates again but I'm taking it slowly and working on form.

Could you post that perfect form? I think my problems are due to poor form, and would like to see what helped you.

Thanks,
Joker
 
Bench press is always the foundation for chest...but for me, incline has always messed up my shoulder...I HATE iT..but after working out for 5 years, i realize i need to do it too...so last year got into it...and realized that my shoulder hurt on incline cause my shoulder wasn't strong enough, so i started working hard on my delts, and problem went away. I also variate and do incline dumbells, dumbell flat bench presses (whatever the hell thats called)..so maybe if you start with light weight, and work yourself up...
 
Suspension said:
try weighted dips

Word. I lift at home and until recently never had a bench that allowed me to do dips (aside from parallel tricep dips). But now I have a kickass bench, and have been doing weighted dips. Jesus, my chest strength has skyrocketed, and my triceps are looking great. I still bench, but dips are great.
 
G-Force said:

Chest press has a better range of motion and I've never heard of anyone shredding their shoulders on a Hammer although I'm aware that not everybody has access to one!

If you are talking about machine presses or Hammer Strength Machine presses, I have to disagree. There is no way in hell you will stimulate the same growth as using dumbells or barbells with a machine. If you think you can then you are fooling yourself.
 
JOKER47 said:


Could you post that perfect form? I think my problems are due to poor form, and would like to see what helped you.

Thanks,
Joker

The Bench Press
by Garry Holeman
Again like I always state... use the ideas rather then the routines
verbatim. That's where the true development lies... 'cuz what works really
well for me might not work so well for you.
Bench Press : Getting Setup
Everyone knows how to bench press right? Actually I found that most people
don't know the specific techniques very well. And by concentrating on form
and the technical aspects of the lift one can increase their poundage almost
immediately and decrease their likelihood of injuries.
The first important aspect is where you will be lifting. There are two
acceptable starting points: either you have a watchful spotter or you have a
power cage where you can set the guide racks to prevent injury. Bench press
is probably the number one exercise for killing people each year. Don't be a
statistic.
Now set the lockout racks according to your arm length. You don't want them
too short otherwise you might put the bar over them when re-racking and it
takes more effort to get into the starting position. I normally suggest that
if you lie down on the bench that the lockout bars are sitting around wrist
height.
Positioning
Now that you have the right environment the next thing you need to do is
worry about your positioning on the bench. A stable starting position is
paramount to a good lift. If you are starting off awkwardly or imbalanced
then you're just asking for trouble.
When you lie down on the bench your eyes should be directly below the bar.
If the bar is higher up that means you have to reach back in the starting
position or risk a more difficult handoff from your spotter. Both can lead
to shoulder problems. If your eyes are positioned behind the bar it is
likely that you will bring it too far down on your chest or hit the uprights
as you press.
Now pull your shoulder blades in and push your chest out. If you do not pull
your shoulders in you again risk shoulder problems. The further you stick
out your chest the less distance you have to move the bar... in powerlifting
this can make a huge difference in weight lifted.
So your upper body is planted firmly now it's time to set your lower body.
Buttocks stay firmly on the bench. This will result in an slightly arched
back... this is what you want. Whatever you do do not brign your butt off
the bench as you lift... this puts more stress on your back, legs and takes
weight off of your chest. This is not what you want.
Your feet and knees should be positioned away from the bench... toes point
out. Bring your feet as close to the bench as you can. We all have limited
flexibility. 8^) Keep your feet flat on the floor... this is important to
keep your balance and gives a slight leg drive in your lift.
Grip
How far apart should you place your hands? Well your forearms should form a
90 degree angle with the floor at the bottom of the lift. As well they must
be equally distant from the middle of the bar. If the bar isn't balanced it
will shift the weight more to the left or right in the movement. I also
suggest sticking with a normal grip with the thumb underneath the bar for
safety sake.
Powerlifters sometimes will widen this grip to reduce the distance traveled
and allow them to lift more weight.
The Lift
You're now ready to bench... take a deep breath and lift the bar from the
rack. You should bring it to just in front of the shoulders and in line with
the lower part of your neck. Do this is a controlled fashion... keep your
arms straight and elbow locked. Exhale... push the chest slightly up and
inhale again. Now you're ready to lower the bar. Bring the bar slowly down
to the chest... it should touch just above the xyphoid process ( I usually
tell men around the nipple level... I guess this advice isn't sound for
women. 8^) I'ld aim for about 3 finger widths above the xyphoid. )
Concentrate on lowering the bar and contracting the lats and chest. I focus
on trying to push my chest towards the bar as well. At the bottom of the
lift the humerus (upper arm) should form around a 45 - 60 degree angle from
the body. Any more angle puts strain on your shoulder and any less increases
the involvement of the anterior delt and reduces pectoral involvement.
*Do not bounce the bar off your chest* I cannot stress this enough... not
only do you look like a doofus but you're increasing your chance for
injuries and reducing pectoral involvement. If you want to bounce stick to
basketball...
As you lower the weight if you find that your arms are shaking this is a
sign of weak lats or improper use of the lats while lowering the weight.
Concentrate on tightening the upper back as you lower. If this doesn't solve
your problem then you might want to target more upper back work.
And now you press... do not heave up with your chest. See my bouncing remark
above. Drive it up as hard as you can... around 2"-4" off your chest the bar
will slow down as the pectoral muscles transfer the lift to your anterior
delts and triceps. This is the common sticking point for most people.
The path that the bar travels is very important and is referred to as the
groove by powerlifters. It should be slightly diagonal and angled towards
the shoulder. On the initial press the bar should also come up vertically
and at around the sticking point above (4" off your chest) the bar should
then start to angle every so slightly back to the uprights. If you let the
bar drift to far towards your abs then your anterior delts are place in an
unfavorable position for lifting. To far towards the face and your lats and
pecs must relax and your pushing from a bad angle. So do not reach for the
uprights like many lifters do at the end of their lift.
My Current Bench Press Routine
Like many lifters I change my routine quite regularly.. I find if you fall
into a rut in your exercises it's likely that so will your weights lifted.
As well keep a close eye on where you fail... if it's low off the chest then
you might need some help in that area... if it's lockout problems then
that's triceps work.
The main ideas behind my bench press cycle (for the last 8 weeks) are:
anterior delts and triceps are the most important muscle groups involved in
the lift, you work your chest, delts and triceps twice a week and you
alternate exercises each week.
So currently I do my bench training on Wednesday and my triceps/arm workouts
on Saturday. You need this amount of time between days just to let your
triceps and anterior delts recover.
My bench day consists of: flat bench press followed by any assistance
exercise. Then I do 3 of the following 6 in a random order and randomly
chosen each week (I just roll a dice when I'm making my log book for the
next week 8^) ) : shoulder press, Hammer Strength shoulder press, pause
French Press (skull crushers), incline DB press, incline barbell press and
tricep extensions. Besides my bench workout I do very little other direct
chest work... my anterior delts and triceps are strongly targeted.
My arm day consists of: narrow grip bench press followed by 3 of the
following 6 in random order as described above: DB biceps curl, decline
french press, pause triceps extension, reverse curl, wrist curl and barbell
curl. Again triceps are heavily worked with some anterior delt work along
with biceps work which is also needed in the bench press.
In addition to the above I do lat and upper back work on my back day... if
you don't have a back day you'll need to add lat exercises and upper back
exercises into the above scheduling. Probably 2 lat exercises and 2 upper
back exercises a week should do.
I do all exercises for 2 sets and have a target rep scheme. The first 3
weeks I aim for 10 reps, the next 5 for 8 reps and the last 2 weeks are 5
reps. All sets are taken to failure... if my target is 8 reps and I can do
10 then I do 10. Don't chicken out just because you meet your rep target. If
you meet your rep target then increase the weight slightly next week.
I alternate everything at random just to keep my body guessing and to stress
different muscle groups to different levels each workout. Some days I have
brutal triceps days and other days is just a light workout. This is
periodization... the variation of intensity that is also key IMHO to
developing strength.
Every 3 or so weeks I'll swap out assistive exercises (see next article) and
put a new one in. It all depends where my weak spots are in my lift and how
I want to approach them.
After 10 weeks take a week off and pick another selection of exercises to
choose from for your next 10-week cycle.
Enjoy!
Garry
 
The_Eviscerator said:


If you are talking about machine presses or Hammer Strength Machine presses, I have to disagree. There is no way in hell you will stimulate the same growth as using dumbells or barbells with a machine. If you think you can then you are fooling yourself.
Normally I would agree with you, I am not a big fan of machines, I would much prefer free weights but the pec press I'm referring to is a very basic machine on to which you can add as much weight as you need - I mean Dorian always preferred to use a leg press which is another basic machine rather than squat and he didn't seem to have any problems stimulating muscle growth!
 
G-Force said:

Normally I would agree with you, I am not a big fan of machines, I would much prefer free weights but the pec press I'm referring to is a very basic machine on to which you can add as much weight as you need - I mean Dorian always preferred to use a leg press which is another basic machine rather than squat and he didn't seem to have any problems stimulating muscle growth!

I still believe that a weight moving through a fixed position is not as muscular stimulating as a free weight lift. I don't just believe it, I know it. I understand what you are saying though. Machines are not completely worthless and many people gain size from them. I just think that they would be better served with a free weight lift.

As for Dorian, I am sure he did plenty of Squats and Deads in his lifetime before preferring the Leg Press. Once you gain his size, leg press should be enough to maintain it.
 
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