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"Alter"? I'm not familiar with this term....
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Anavar cycle...HTPA
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thesuaveone
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#STEW MEAT# said:
Alter or Ulter?
raider187
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#STEW MEAT# said:
Alter = Alter Ego or a Alternate ID for a regular poster... People sometimes use a "alter" for messing around or anonimity.
Do you think unleashed would be a good insurance policy to prevent HTPA reduction? My other question. If you do get some shutdown, will you bounce back with clomid or is HCG a must?
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1: J Pediatr. 1979 Apr;94(4):657-62.Links
The effect of synthetic androgens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis Hopwood NJ, Kelch RP, Zipf WB, Hernandez RJ.
Serial concentrations of basal serum LH, FSH, testosterone, and LH and FSH responses to intravenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone were measured before and during six months of administration of oxandrolone in 14 boys in order to assess the effects of these androgens on maturation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis. Before therapy all boys had normal hormonal responses based on bone age. At the end of six months therapy 10 of the 14 boys had lower LH responses (34 to 89% reduction) to GnRH without consistent changes in FSH responses. With both androgens, there there was significant suppression of both basal serum FSH and testosterone. Eleven boys were restudied six months after completion of therapy; basal serum LH, FSH, and testosterone and responses to GnRH were equal to or greater than pretreatment levels, indicating recovery or progressive maturation of the HPGA. All boys had increased growth velocity and imporved weight gain without excessive bone age advancement; all had improved psychosocial adjustment.
PMID: 372514 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
The above study ran the oxandralone for 24 weeks and only 10 of 14 saw suppression of HPTA. And of those 10, it was only suppression of LH ranged from only 39-89%.
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The effect of synthetic androgens on the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis Hopwood NJ, Kelch RP, Zipf WB, Hernandez RJ.
Serial concentrations of basal serum LH, FSH, testosterone, and LH and FSH responses to intravenous gonadotropin-releasing hormone were measured before and during six months of administration of oxandrolone in 14 boys in order to assess the effects of these androgens on maturation of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis. Before therapy all boys had normal hormonal responses based on bone age. At the end of six months therapy 10 of the 14 boys had lower LH responses (34 to 89% reduction) to GnRH without consistent changes in FSH responses. With both androgens, there there was significant suppression of both basal serum FSH and testosterone. Eleven boys were restudied six months after completion of therapy; basal serum LH, FSH, and testosterone and responses to GnRH were equal to or greater than pretreatment levels, indicating recovery or progressive maturation of the HPGA. All boys had increased growth velocity and imporved weight gain without excessive bone age advancement; all had improved psychosocial adjustment.
PMID: 372514 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
The above study ran the oxandralone for 24 weeks and only 10 of 14 saw suppression of HPTA. And of those 10, it was only suppression of LH ranged from only 39-89%.
-Stew
raider187
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Did I read that right they all recovered naturally? Intersting, I'm no kid, but that is a pretty positive study. I'm also doing a 7wk run in wk3 right now, at 60mg ED. I'm not having any problems, the boys are still with me. I don't know what the whole shutdown feeling is, it has always concerned me though. I'm running clomid and derma-sustain post cycle.
I still wonder I should take some unleashed as a precaution?
Thanks Again!
I still wonder I should take some unleashed as a precaution?
Thanks Again!
Bruce
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there is nothing wrong with doing anavar only. i have run e q at 800mg ew without test and many even t r e n without test. i only use a maintenence dose of test at 125 mg ew when necessary. there is also no reason at all to run all of that shit with the var. first off the last thing you have to worry about with var is your liver. i have run winny for 6 months before and it didn't do shit to my liver. tylenol is harder on the liver. you have to worry about what it will do to your cholesterol. the only thing you can do is take nolva imo to combat this. 20mg ed is good. for your pct i would run clomid at 50mg ed for 3 weeks after your last day of clomid. the supps are not gonna do you any good. just drink a gallon of water ed at a minimum and that is the only supp you need. protein and food too. good luck
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raider187 said:
I don't know enough about "Unleashed" to give you advice on it. I looked at their marketing advertisement and it sounds good... but don't they all. Hell, the ad for "NanoVapor" got me and I wasted $40. I haven't taken the time to search for studies demonstrating positive results from the active ingredients.
"Bouncing back" has a lot to do with your pituatary's resistance to suppression. One easy way to tell is by your nut size. The degree of atrophy is directly related to the amount of testosterone your capable of producing. But this is not a perfect linear relationship. Most of the "nut shrinkage" isn't due to shutdown of leydig, but of serotoli. LH stimulates test production by leydig cells, but serotoli cells are only stimlulated by FSH which codes in a male for sperm production... so, although you have atrophied, individuals will vary between the LH/FSH ratio... but it is generally safe to say that if FSH has been shut down (thus shrinking the nuts) then LH is probably shut down too. HCG is basicly exogenous LH and will directly stimulate the testicles to produce testosterone. Clomid works by binding to estrogen receptors causing a release of LHRH. The HCG/Clomid combination is a two fold system that uses two interdependent processes to restart the axis.
You asked for my opinion on whether it was necessary for you to take these... I wouldn't bother on 50mgED of Oxandralone, but above 75mgED I definately would. Thats me. Do more research on it before you make the decisions on what is right for YOU. I'm sure other bros around here have equally valid comments.
I'm an "alter" for Stew Meat.... as apparantly that handle was banned after I resigned as moderator.
-Stew
rambleon
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U have obv done ur homework so i don't have a beef with the anavar only cycle. I'm not very into sups so i'll just say that stews advice sounds solid to me. Especyally about the creatine. It doesn't do shit for me EXCEPT when im on anavar. Then it boosts the var noticeably.
For now i'll just hijack a bit and say: Welcome back stew/ stew meat. Always a good thing to have vets on the board sharing what they know.
For now i'll just hijack a bit and say: Welcome back stew/ stew meat. Always a good thing to have vets on the board sharing what they know.
funkyfresh
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Thanks for all the advice guys.
Actually, another reason I was asking about taking some low dose nolvadex during the cycle was also due to cholesterol values.
I haven't heard anyone really complain about liver toxicity with Anavar, but I know it can knock a lot of guys hdl/ldl cholesterol out of balance.
I just wondered if some nolvadex was worth adding to help combat this aswell as HTPA supression?
To be honest, I need to do more reading on Nolvadex as a whole as I'm not too familiar with what potential side effects this can carry aswell.
Actually, another reason I was asking about taking some low dose nolvadex during the cycle was also due to cholesterol values.
I haven't heard anyone really complain about liver toxicity with Anavar, but I know it can knock a lot of guys hdl/ldl cholesterol out of balance.
I just wondered if some nolvadex was worth adding to help combat this aswell as HTPA supression?
To be honest, I need to do more reading on Nolvadex as a whole as I'm not too familiar with what potential side effects this can carry aswell.
