Anavar cycle...HTPA

[funkyfresh]

Hi guys,

I'm planning my first AAS cycle in a couple of months and after much debate, I have decided on an 8 week Anavar cycle @ 50-60mg each day.

Now I know some guys will argue that you should always use test as the base of a cycle...etc. but I have decided against this for a variety of reasons.

I don't expect amazing gains on such a cycle as this, but that is a seperate debate.

My main question was regarding HTPA shutdown.

I have done my homework on Var and am in the process of getting everything prepared for my cycle, including various supplements..etc. to help minimise the potential negative side effects such a raised LDL cholesterol, liver toxicity, kidney strain..etc.

I am thinking of taking some unleashed/myogenX stack throughout the cycle to help prevent a major crash in HTPA supression, but I was also wondering if it may be a good idea to take some low dose Nolvadex during the cycle aswell?

I intend to use Nolvadex for PCT, but would taking a super low dose such 5mg ed or even every other day be of any benefit? or even some low dose arimidex for that matter?

I understand this may contribute to a potential increase in liver toxicity, but I do intend to take milk thistle & liv52 throughout the cycle to keep liver values in check.

Here is a list of things I'll be using throught the cycle and PCT which I'm hoping will help minimise any negatives in my bloodwork:

ANAVAR = 50 - 60mg ED
ANIMAL PAK MULTI VITAMIN
VITAMIN B12
CISSUS (for joint support)
HYALURONIC ACID + COLLAGEN (for joint support)
GREEN TEA EXTRACT (for cholesterol and antioxidant support)
N-ACETYL-L-CYSTEINE (NAC) = 1g ED (for liver support)
NA R-ALPHA LIPOIC ACID (NAR-ALA) = 100mg ED (for antioxidant support)
HAWTHORN BERRIES = 900mg ED (for cholesterol and heart support)
GARLIC POWDER = 900mg ED (for cholesterol and heart support)
COENZYME Q10 = 300mg ED (for antioxidant support)
BETA SITOSTEROL = 1g ED (for cholesterol support)
ACETYL L-CARNITINE = 2g ED (for antioxidant and energy support)
CRANBERRY EXTRACT (10:1) = 800mg ED (for kidney support)
MILK THISTLE (80% SILYMARIN) = 1g ED (for liver support)
LIV 52 = 4 caps ED (for liver support)
NIACIN (flush free) = 500mg - 1g ED (for cholesterol support)
EFA'S (Krill Oil, Udo's Oil Blend, Olive Oil) = upto 50g ED (for cholesterol support and help raise HDL)
UNLEASHED = 6 Caps ED (for HTPA suppression)
MYOGEN X = 6 Caps ED (for testosterone boost)

Thanks guys

 

[kyoshi6]

Hi guys,

I'm planning my first anabolic androgenic steroids cycle in a couple of months and after much debate, I have decided on an 8 week Anavar cycle @ 50-60mg each day.

Now I know some guys will argue that you should always use test as the base of a cycle...etc. but I have decided against this for a variety of reasons.

I don't expect amazing gains on such a cycle as this, but that is a seperate debate.

My main question was regarding HTPA shutdown.

I have done my homework on Anavar - oxandrolone - and am in the process of getting everything prepared for my cycle, including various supplements..etc. to help minimise the potential negative side effects such a raised LDL cholesterol, liver toxicity, kidney strain..etc.

I am thinking of taking some unleashed/myogenX stack throughout the cycle to help prevent a major crash in HTPA supression, but I was also wondering if it may be a good idea to take some low dose Nolvadex during the cycle aswell?

I intend to use Nolvadex for PCT - post cycle therapy - , but would taking a super low dose such 5mg ed or even every other day be of any benefit? or even some low dose arimidex for that matter?

I understand this may contribute to a potential increase in liver toxicity, but I do intend to take milk thistle & liv52 throughout the cycle to keep liver values in check.

Here is a list of things I'll be using throught the cycle and PCT which I'm hoping will help minimise any negatives in my bloodwork:

ANAVAR = 50 - 60mg ED
ANIMAL PAK MULTI VITAMIN
VITAMIN B12
CISSUS (for joint support)
HYALURONIC ACID + COLLAGEN (for joint support)
GREEN TEA EXTRACT (for cholesterol and antioxidant support)
N-ACETYL-L-CYSTEINE (NAC) = 1g ED (for liver support)
NA R-ALPHA LIPOIC ACID (NAR-alpha lipoic acid) = 100mg ED (for antioxidant support)
HAWTHORN BERRIES = 900mg ED (for cholesterol and heart support)
GARLIC POWDER = 900mg ED (for cholesterol and heart support)
COENZYME Q10 = 300mg ED (for antioxidant support)
BETA SITOSTEROL = 1g ED (for cholesterol support)
ACETYL L-CARNITINE = 2g ED (for antioxidant and energy support)
CRANBERRY EXTRACT (10:1) = 800mg ED (for kidney support)
MILK THISTLE (80% SILYMARIN) = 1g ED (for liver support)
LIV 52 = 4 caps ED (for liver support)
NIACIN (flush free) = 500mg - 1g ED (for cholesterol support)
EFA'S (Krill Oil, Udo's Oil Blend, Olive Oil) = upto 50g ED (for cholesterol support and help raise HDL)
UNLEASHED = 6 Caps ED (for HTPA suppression)
MYOGEN X = 6 Caps ED (for testosterone boost)

Thanks guys

Sounds like you have done some research. I like test as my base but you have ur reasons..

 

[#STEW MEAT#]

Oxandralone will suppress hpta . but will not completly "shut it down." After about 10 weeks, you'll loose probably around 50% of your normal capacity to produce testosterone.


-Stew

 

[big greg 82]

^yep yep

 

[funkyfresh]

thanks for the replies guys.

So would running some low dose nolvadex or arimidex on cycle be a good idea?

 

[#STEW MEAT#]

I see no point in either. If your nuts have atrophied toward the end of your cycle, get some HCG overnighted, otherwise, start using clomid 50mg ed the week before you stop, then bump to 100mg ed the week after... then back down to 50mg. Somepeople tolerate clomid well, others get depressed. But honestly, you really don't even have to have the clomid. That amount of Anavar isn't going to seriously affect your testosterone production unless you're middle aged.


-Stew

 

[gslben]

Planning on the same thing.

Well laid-out question with some good answers..THX

 

[#STEW MEAT#]

ANAVAR = 50 - 60mg ED
Better than nothing, but don't expect the kind of results you'd get from a real cycle. But hey, they're about a dollar or so for a cap... better than the benefit you'll get from the same investment in other supps.

About the rest:

ANIMAL PAK MULTI VITAMIN
good choice

VITAMIN B12
low bioavailbility orally, waste of money unless you're going to inject. Its already in the animal packs

CISSUS (for joint support)
...maybe

HYALURONIC ACID + COLLAGEN (for joint support)
Anavar supports joints and overall healing of ligaments. Use if you've got the money...

GREEN TEA EXTRACT (for cholesterol and antioxidant support)
Good fat burner and has other beneficial side effects.

N-ACETYL-L-CYSTEINE (NAC) = 1g ED (for liver support)
NA R-ALPHA LIPOIC ACID (NAR-alpha lipoic acid) = 100mg ED (for antioxidant support)
HAWTHORN BERRIES = 900mg ED (for cholesterol and heart support)
GARLIC POWDER = 900mg ED (for cholesterol and heart support)
COENZYME Q10 = 300mg ED (for antioxidant support)
BETA SITOSTEROL = 1g ED (for cholesterol support)
ACETYL L-CARNITINE = 2g ED (for antioxidant and energy support)
MILK THISTLE (80% SILYMARIN) = 1g ED (for liver support)
LIV 52 = 4 caps ED (for liver support)
NIACIN (flush free) = 500mg - 1g ED (for cholesterol support)
EFA'S (Krill Oil, Udo's Oil Blend, Olive Oil) = upto 50g ED (for cholesterol support and help raise HDL)

No need for any of this. Oxandralone doesn't have the same negative effects on cholestorol that other steroids have. It has virtually NO liver toxicity.

CRANBERRY EXTRACT (10:1) = 800mg ED (for kidney support)
Use anytime your taking in a lot of protein. By products of protein synthesis leads to problems with kidneys... on a cycle or not. This is always a good idea in my opinion.

UNLEASHED = 6 Caps ED (for HTPA suppression)
MYOGEN X = 6 Caps ED (for testosterone boost)
Have you looked at the ingredients of these products? If you trust the product, go with it. If it works, good... if it doesn't, you're belief in the product will give you a placebo effect.



SUPPLEMENT WITH CREATINE



-Stew

 

[Papa Lion]

I think this stew guy is an alter persoanlly! however I agree with him right down to the the products he listed at the bottom.. alot of the other id\s unnec. but anavar WILL shut you down!! and I would follow a proper pct...hcg, clomid/nolva

 

[funkyfresh]

Hey Stew,

Thank you for taking the time to share your advice dude, I appriciate it

"Better than nothing, but don't expect the kind of results you'd get from a real cycle. But hey, they're about a dollar or so for a cap... better than the benefit you'll get from the same investment in other supps"

Yes, I am being realistic about this. I don't expect to gain a ton of mass on such a cycle or expecting amazing results, but I am hoping that with a solid diet plan I can gain a good 10lbs (which I don't think is that unrealistic over the course of 8 - 10 weeks TBH) which I will be able to hold onto. I am not expecting the results to be that dramatic, but I am hoping for some nice strength increases (mainly) and a few more lbs of quality lean muscle mass.

I'm one of those guys who believes in quality over quantity. To me, gaining 5 or 10lbs of quality muscle mass over a year which I am able to sustain is a good achievement.
I appriciate that bodybuilding isn't short term and it takes time.

Trouble is, it seems a lot of people want everything right away and aren't prepared to take the time and put in the work. So they keep trying to look for shortcuts or the easy way out. TBH, I'm kind of shocked after reading about the amounts of juice some guys are taking. Seems they start to rely more and more on what AAS cycles they are doing over their nutrition, lifestyle, training..etc. But that is a different debate.


I know a lot of guys say Anavar is a mild compound, and this may be true when you compare it to other meds such as Test, Dbol or Tren. But it does increase protein synthesis by around 40% and has a decent anabolic ratio.

In regards to the Unleashed and MyogenX. I have done some research on the ingredients in these and they look fairly promising. But again, as with any brand supplement....you have the marketing hype which goes with it.
I am normally pretty warey of most supplements with bogus claims and the aggressive advertising..etc..but from what I've heard from other people, these products sound fairly solid and do deliver somewhat, so I though what the hell, I'll give them a whirl.

Thanks again to all you guys for the advice