You can't grow unless you take Protein shake after workout!

[djeclipse]

ill informed, ? lol .. stop being so egotistic, what you were doing before i even entered this thread was trying to get 8 to agree with you, LIKE I SAID, Some things work better for some people, then they do for you. And Obviously from your first post, you are telling us that your a skinny soccer player, where as 8 is prolly 3x bigger then you, so please go ride the 5x5 program a bit harder, yes ur right about the 5x5 but nowhere did you say what kind of diet you need, for the 5x5 to be effective...

There you go making assumptions again... there is no point with you... keep doing those curls maybe you can do some exercises with that florescent green ball they have at the gym also.. work on your "core" lol

EDIT: once again showing us your inability to read and comprehend simple things. Diet is discussed on madcow's website, again don't be so ignorant, go and actually read it before you talk about it, same with this thread. Who's being egotistical now?

You keep commenting on something you clearly haven't spent the time to actually learn it for yourself... pathetic.

 

[djeclipse]

How old are ya bro? thats pretty ripped up!

I was making a joke dude based on tweakles internet joke.

 

[silverskyline]

I was making a joke dude based on tweakles internet joke.

I got you, well never know your only photo is of a hamster with a BB

 

[djeclipse]

I got you, well never know your only photo is of a hamster with a BB

lol, that is me in the pic when I started working out. It's a bitch to shave every day.


The pic thing in the avatar is not for me, no matter how big or "ripped" I get. I've posted deadlift videos before, but that was in 06, before my injury. I bet it's still around somewhere.

I'm not the biggest on the board but not the smallest either. My lifts have gone up a lot since training. I've learned a lot about training and diet, mostly from older members of this board back in the day.

Unfortunately it seems most of those members have left and it's been taken over by know it all body builder wanna be's that don't want to hear about good training. There are still a few of those peeps left but not like it used to be.

 

[silverskyline]

You guys are going back and fourth about this, dude 5x5 prolly works great I have never used it and last year I was 5'10 190 7 percent. I'm not sayin thats huge but I was ripped up and not small by any standard, fact is 5x5 prolly works but so do a lot of things for a lot of different people. Isolation works for me it always has if it didnt I would be the same size I was 6 years ago. I may try 5x5 next winter when i'm done cutting. (Just starting the cut)

There is no need to bicker about it.

However I did see Porportional's stats

what are yours out of curiosity dj?

 

[Porportional]

lol like p diddy would say some bitchassness in here.. haha jp, i respect your opinion, and would like to apologize, im sure your praising what works for you, and i respect that, i respect the whole 5x5 program because its great for your core, but in retrospect without diet management it is nothing... also shakes are very vital for post workout like i mentioned, but i also respect some of the things u have said

 

[binö]

imo, 5*5 is too easy, esp after doing it a few years.
5*7 i think is a better scheme, fuggin killer on sq days

 

[djeclipse]

You guys are going back and fourth about this, dude 5x5 prolly works great I have never used it and last year I was 5'10 190 7 percent. I'm not sayin thats huge but I was ripped up and not small by any standard, fact is 5x5 prolly works but so do a lot of things for a lot of different people. Isolation works for me it always has if it didnt I would be the same size I was 6 years ago. I may try 5x5 next winter when i'm done cutting. (Just starting the cut)

There is no need to bicker about it.

However I did see Porportional's stats

what are yours out of curiosity dj?

I used to believe only in the one body part/ day, 6 days a week, 20 sets of curls etc. type training. The typical training you see in those BB mags and you get from the people at the gym.

Then I found this board and learned a lot about training, why the BB style of training wasn't very effective. I was open minded enough to try out new things mainly the 5 x 5. But I also spent time to read as much as I could, even talk to Madcow himself about a few things.

It wasn't just a theory that got me to change my training, it was the fact that this training worked so good I never wanted to go back. I made a lot of gains, got bigger, stronger, with diet I lost a lot of fat and was still able to make gains. It was all thanks to a few people on this board that were willing to talk about proper training and help someone out.

When was the last time you were able to add 5lbs to your bench, squat, Over head press, deadlift for 8-10 weeks straight doing the typical BB type workout?

As for my stats they've been up and down with injury, some medical problems and the side effects of medication related to the medical problem. I have been able to make gains even while on a medication that causes muscle loss as well as bone density loss. I was told by my doctor that if I wasn't lifting heavy the signs of ostepoerosis would be much worse then it is now because of prolonged use of this medication.

So in short lifting heavy has been very beneficial to me.

EDIT: I just wrote a few things on my personal stats but then thought, what does that have to do with anythign in this thread? If I was 230 5% bodyfat does that make me any more informed then if I was a 60 yr old man who hasn't lifted a weight in 20 years, or how about a 300lb man with 30% BF? It doesn't mean that any of these people are smart enough to do research and witness it being applied effectavly.

If that is the case why is this huge strongman wasting his time listening to this small old man in this video?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3pyAmrAQc4E&feature=related

Even though this old man is not 250 8% body fat he knows his shit.

 

[silverskyline]

I used to believe only in the one body part/ day, 6 days a week, 20 sets of curls etc. type training. The typical training you see in those BB mags and you get from the people at the gym.

Then I found this board and learned a lot about training, why the BB style of training wasn't very effective. I was open minded enough to try out new things mainly the 5 x 5. But I also spent time to read as much as I could, even talk to Madcow himself about a few things.

It wasn't just a theory that got me to change my training, it was the fact that this training worked so good I never wanted to go back. I made a lot of gains, got bigger, stronger, with diet I lost a lot of fat and was still able to make gains. It was all thanks to a few people on this board that were willing to talk about proper training and help someone out.

When was the last time you were able to add 5lbs to your bench, squat, Over head press, deadlift for 8-10 weeks straight doing the typical BB type workout?

As for my stats they've been up and down with injury, some medical problems and the side effects of medication related to the medical problem. I have been able to make gains even while on a medication that causes muscle loss as well as bone density loss. I was told by my doctor that if I wasn't lifting heavy the signs of ostepoerosis would be much worse then it is now because of prolonged use of this medication.

So in short lifting heavy has been very beneficial to me.

EDIT: I just wrote a few things on my personal stats but then thought, what does that have to do with anythign in this thread? If I was 230 5% bodyfat does that make me any more informed then if I was a 60 yr old man who hasn't lifted a weight in 20 years, or how about a 300lb man with 30% BF? It doesn't mean that any of these people are smart enough to do research and witness it being applied effectavly.

If that is the case why is this huge strongman wasting his time listening to this small old man in this video?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=3pyAmrAQc4E&feature=related

Even though this old man is not 250 8% body fat he knows his shit.

I hear what your saying and respect a lot of good bros ont his site that all have great info to retain. I ahve read over the training vault material and it has a great backing and rep behind it as well.

No your stats dont tell me if you know what your talking about he just called it out and I was curious is all. Stats wont tell anyone that they dont know what they are talking about but they can tell someone they definately do know what they are talking about if you get what I mean.

for instance if you were 300 lbs with 30 percent you gould be a doctor or anatomical and nutritional sciance (highly unlikely a doctor of that reputation would let that happen but anyhow) still know what your talking about however if you were 270 6 percent shreadded you dont even have to open your mouth for me to know that you obviously know about what you do.

 

[djeclipse]

lol like p diddy would say some bitchassness in here.. haha jp, i respect your opinion, and would like to apologize, im sure your praising what works for you, and i respect that, i respect the whole 5x5 program because its great for your core, but in retrospect without diet management it is nothing... also shakes are very vital for post workout like i mentioned, but i also respect some of the things u have said

As far as the post workout shake thing goes... don't be so gullible dude. Don't believe everything you hear, do some research for yourself.

It is a load of complete bull shit that you abslutley need a Post workout shake after working out in order to grow and gain muscle.

Post work out shakes weren't around back when the cave men were out hunting, they weren't around when the romans started the olympics (which was meant to be a test of human strength). These people were able to gain muscle without protien shales. protien shales weren;t even around when everyones hero Arnold started training. It must have been amiracle that they were able to put on any muscle.

But now, all of a sudden everyone needs a post workout shake or we'll never get any bigger or stronger?? Really think about that for a second.

These companies and magazines you're reading/ listening to are trying to sell you a product, and they will say anything to get you to buy into their theory/ product.

A protien shake after a workout can be beneficial, yes. But is it absolutley necessary, not a chance.

The nest source of protein is meat protein hands down, you should not be relying on a protein shake as your #1 source.