You can't grow unless you take Protein shake after workout!

[GUARDIAN]

dude you think you gained from iso exercises, when you actually gained MOSTLY from compound exercises along with a high cal diet. i see loads of skinny little guys curling the crap out of their biceps... they never train legs and they never get big overall... so their arms never grow.... i think you've seen those guys in your gym as well...

key word is skinny. the definitive study would be to have someone train arms only with proper high cal diet aimed at gaining size to see if there arms grow or not.

i go with what works for me. i just remember a time when all i did was arms bc i didnt know any better and they blew up.

 

[silver_shadow]

key word is skinny. the definitive study would be to have someone train arms only with proper high cal diet aimed at gaining size to see if there arms grow or not.

i go with what works for me. i just remember a time when all i did was arms bc i didnt know any better and they blew up.

it has it's limit.... you do accept that right? it won't go on forever unless you add more size overall.

 

[GUARDIAN]

it has it's limit.... you do accept that right? it won't go on forever unless you add more size overall.

agreed. that was my point with the whole theory of supposedly u need to gain 10lbs of muscle to the body to add an inch to the arm.

 

[djeclipse]

agreed. that was my point with the whole theory of supposedly u need to gain 10lbs of muscle to the body to add an inch to the arm.

Then you're contradicting yourself. One hand you're saying that your arms can grow with just curls and on the other you say you need to add mass everywhere for your arms to grow....

 

[GUARDIAN]

Then you're contradicting yourself. One hand you're saying that your arms can grow with just curls and on the other you say you need to add mass everywhere for your arms to grow....

no i am not. i agree u can get more/better growth from working the entire body and trying to get everything bigger/stronger. the only point i am disagreeing about is that u can get bicep growth from curls only if u did nothing else. i was living proof of this. but my arms got even bigger as my training experience and knowledge grew and incorporate legs, back, chest, etc. into my workouts.

i also originally put a side note about the 10lb theory in my original post saying that i have never researched but simply mentioning it as to why someone who is 130lbs and does nothing but curls doesnt get bigger arms. they are not eating to grow. u cant expect to gain size on your arms if u remain 130 lbs.

 

[Porportional]

i say fuck the studies, w/e works for u, works for you, a 5x5 is for people who are looking for strength and putting on "mass", isolation is more for bodybuilders.. bodybuilders who want to weigh 250 pounds and still be below 8 percent bodyfat, a 5x5 wont do that for bodybuilders.. and im assuming diet wise, a 5x5 is supported with a diet of 3,000+ calories with a high carb ratio, where as bodybuilders who are going for that onseason look have a 3:1 protien ratio over their carbs.. and the dude at the store is pretty right.. protien is protien wheter it be food or shakes, but the reason y liquid protien is so much better is, because it breaks down a hella lot faster then your steak after working out. so while ur still in your catabolic state, your feeding your muscle correctly.. so say if someones catabolic state lasts 30 minutes, the protien will break down fast enough in the catabolic state to allow the muscle to grow, where the food will more then likely not break down in your catabolic state, where granting no real benefit to your workout.

 

[djeclipse]

bodybuilders who want to weigh 250 pounds and still be below 8 percent bodyfat, a 5x5 wont do that for bodybuilders..

Oh my, you couldn't be more wrong, haven't you read anything in the training vault, on the board?

Don't be so f'n ignorant. Try reading about the program before you even pretend to know what you're talking about. I suggest you read the diet portion of the website I posted before making comments like above.

Good luck getting to 250 and 8% body fat with only isolation movements... you'll need some serious help.

 

[djeclipse]

no i am not. i agree u can get more/better growth from working the entire body and trying to get everything bigger/stronger. the only point i am disagreeing about is that u can get bicep growth from curls only if u did nothing else. i was living proof of this. but my arms got even bigger as my training experience and knowledge grew and incorporate legs, back, chest, etc. into my workouts.

i also originally put a side note about the 10lb theory in my original post saying that i have never researched but simply mentioning it as to why someone who is 130lbs and does nothing but curls doesnt get bigger arms. they are not eating to grow. u cant expect to gain size on your arms if u remain 130 lbs.

Ok, so as you are saying you personally can get limited amount of bicep growth from only training bicep.

But will you agree that the rest of your body is not going to grow at all from doing curls only?

On the other hand can you agree (as the studdy shows) that by doing compound full body movements your biceps will grow without ever training the biceps? The studdy showed this to be true.

After knowing this, what is the point in focusing so much/ wasting so much time doing curls? An exercise that will give you minimal gains at best and only for one small body part... when you can be doing lifts that make the entire body grow including the bies?

all the above = curls/ arm days are a big waste of time. Maybe 2-3 sets/ week max if you want to "feel the pump", but aside form that there is no point in doing them at all.

 

[silver_shadow]

i say fuck the studies, w/e works for u, works for you, a 5x5 is for people who are looking for strength and putting on "mass", isolation is more for bodybuilders.. bodybuilders who want to weigh 250 pounds and still be below 8 percent bodyfat, a 5x5 wont do that for bodybuilders.. and im assuming diet wise, a 5x5 is supported with a diet of 3,000+ calories with a high carb ratio, where as bodybuilders who are going for that onseason look have a 3:1 protien ratio over their carbs.. and the dude at the store is pretty right.. protien is protien wheter it be food or shakes, but the reason y liquid protien is so much better is, because it breaks down a hella lot faster then your steak after working out. so while ur still in your catabolic state, your feeding your muscle correctly.. so say if someones catabolic state lasts 30 minutes, the protien will break down fast enough in the catabolic state to allow the muscle to grow, where the food will more then likely not break down in your catabolic state, where granting no real benefit to your workout.

biceps curls exclusively for a 250lb bodybuilder??? how much do you weigh?

 

[Tweakle]

10lbs per inch of arm size is pretty optimistic, that assumes a build that tends towards smaller torso/larger limbs (prevelant in a small percentage of people) most people have either equal growth potential or the opposite. Assuming they train hard on everything not just arms

Train or not train, my arms don't grow anymore.. right now I just pump them with some light dumbbells for a couple of sets at the end of the workout to keep the elbows healthy.

Luckily logging onto the internet adds 1-3" to most peoples arms, so I might stop training them all together

Everyone on the internet is at least 250, 8%.. didnt you know?