You can't grow unless you take Protein shake after workout!

[silverskyline]

imo, 5*5 is too easy, esp after doing it a few years.
5*7 i think is a better scheme, fuggin killer on sq days

Hahaha Viking Quest...awesome

 

[djeclipse]

I hear what your saying and respect a lot of good bros ont his site that all have great info to retain. I ahve read over the training vault material and it has a great backing and rep behind it as well.

No your stats dont tell me if you know what your talking about he just called it out and I was curious is all. Stats wont tell anyone that they dont know what they are talking about but they can tell someone they definately do know what they are talking about if you get what I mean.

for instance if you were 300 lbs with 30 percent you gould be a doctor or anatomical and nutritional sciance (highly unlikely a doctor of that reputation would let that happen but anyhow) still know what your talking about however if you were 270 6 percent shreadded you dont even have to open your mouth for me to know that you obviously know about what you do.

But even if I was 270 6% shreaded that doesn't exactly mean how I got there, or what I am doing now is optimal, or the best way to go about doing it.

You don't know if that guy that is 270 ripped got there by good genetics and a little training. Or by good training, a lot of hard work and proper diet. Or by horrible training, a lot of un necessairy drugs including diaretics etc.

That 270 ripped person could be really healthy or about to drop dead in a few month's because he has poisoned his body so much it's about to shut down.

A great example is Greg Covax. When he was 21 he was training at my gym (I was still in highschool doingthe B mag workout, didn't know any better), he looked shreaded, was huge and a strong MOFO, he went on to compete and did very well. Looking at him you may think "that guy knows his shit, he is doing everything right".

But what you may not know is at 21 he already had his first heart attack! And now he is a mess.

I don't know anyone who in their right mind would listen to anything he has to say about training.

 

[silverskyline]

As far as the post workout shake thing goes... don't be so gullible dude. Don't believe everything you hear, do some research for yourself.

It is a load of complete bull shit that you abslutley need a Post workout shake after working out in order to grow and gain muscle.

Post work out shakes weren't around back when the cave men were out hunting, they weren't around when the romans started the olympics (which was meant to be a test of human strength). These people were able to gain muscle without protien shales. protien shales weren;t even around when everyones hero Arnold started training. It must have been amiracle that they were able to put on any muscle.

But now, all of a sudden everyone needs a post workout shake or we'll never get any bigger or stronger?? Really think about that for a second.

These companies and magazines you're reading/ listening to are trying to sell you a product, and they will say anything to get you to buy into their theory/ product.

A protien shake after a workout can be beneficial, yes. But is it absolutley necessary, not a chance.

The nest source of protein is meat protein hands down, you should not be relying on a protein shake as your #1 source.

All I ever eat is protein shakes morning day and night 6 times a day I'm huge!

Hahaha I believe in the shake because even though it was not around back then science is always evolving and why not utalize that??? When they discovered the vaccine for the common cold people wernt like hey the cold was around before this BS and everyone else is still alive who has had it.

well no shit but wouldnt you rather not get it if you can.

same for Isolate shakes and quick obsorbtion yeah I can get my protein from animal and have it slow obsorbtion and still get some but why not get it where it's so much more effective? They never used it before that dosnt mean I dont want to utalize it's effectiveness now

 

[djeclipse]

imo, 5*5 is too easy, esp after doing it a few years.
5*7 i think is a better scheme, fuggin killer on sq days

I tried 3 x 8 using the same lifts as madcow's 5 x 5, it was a lot harder then I thought, not much of a deload, lol

The 5 x 5 is just template for beginners to learn about lifting, weight progression etc.

 

[djeclipse]

All I ever eat is protein shakes morning day and night 6 times a day I'm huge!

Hahaha I believe in the shake because even though it was not around back then science is always evolving and why not utalize that??? When they discovered the vaccine for the common cold people wernt like hey the cold was around before this BS and everyone else is still alive who has had it.

well no shit but wouldnt you rather not get it if you can.

same for Isolate shakes and quick obsorbtion yeah I can get my protein from animal and have it slow obsorbtion and still get some but why not get it where it's so much more effective? They never used it before that dosnt mean I dont want to utalize it's effectiveness now

That's right, utilize it because you can, it is there, quick and easy. But it is not 100% necessary for muscle growth. Which is what Porportional and this tool at the supplement store was trying to tell me.

It is beneficial, but not necessary for muscle growth.

 

[Porportional]

As far as the post workout shake thing goes... don't be so gullible dude. Don't believe everything you hear, do some research for yourself.

It is a load of complete bull shit that you abslutley need a Post workout shake after working out in order to grow and gain muscle.

Post work out shakes weren't around back when the cave men were out hunting, they weren't around when the romans started the olympics (which was meant to be a test of human strength). These people were able to gain muscle without protien shales. protien shales weren;t even around when everyones hero Arnold started training. It must have been amiracle that they were able to put on any muscle.

But now, all of a sudden everyone needs a post workout shake or we'll never get any bigger or stronger?? Really think about that for a second.

These companies and magazines you're reading/ listening to are trying to sell you a product, and they will say anything to get you to buy into their theory/ product.

A protien shake after a workout can be beneficial, yes. But is it absolutley necessary, not a chance.

The nest source of protein is meat protein hands down, you should not be relying on a protein shake as your #1 source.

Dude read one of my previous posts, about where i mention the catabolic state.. Your muscles are in a catabolic state for upto 30 mins to 1 hour post workout, all im saying is that a post workout shake followed with FOOD, is the best option because the protien will break down faster for your muscles to feed on, obviously if you have food go with food but a postworkout shake does have its benefits along with casein protien. Bodybuilding is alot of science dude, u seem to know alot again about the lifting aspect, but im curious to see whats your diet like.. in the most polite way possible

i just read your other post again, and mean to say its not neccesary to have shakes and still be huge, but they are a great alternative for fast absorption, especially when your muscles need a fast absorption

 

[silverskyline]

That's right, utilize it because you can, it is there, quick and easy. But it is not 100% necessary for muscle growth. Which is what Porportional and this tool at the supplement store was trying to tell me.

It is beneficial, but not necessary for muscle growth.

Agreed

 

[silverskyline]

Isoltaion
Protein shakes morning and PWO
Hard Lifting
and lots and lots of sex...works for me IMO

 

[djeclipse]

Agreed

Finaly, we agree on something lol

Ant it's almost 5:00 here time for the weekend...

 

[silverskyline]

Finaly, we agree on something lol

Ant it's almost 5:00 here time for the weekend...

Nice I still have an hour and a half left, have a good one