WINNY results HOLY COW!

[Realgains]

RG, welcome back, I wondered where you've been. That's great your wife had such positive results with the winny-and few sides.

My last dose (depot) of winny was august. During the cycle my joints were ok. They hurt sooo bad now. I can barely do curls. Do you think my joints will ever recover? I've even layed off training for a few weeks to see if that would help. It did a little but not much. You think the nan prop I stilll have would reverse this? OUCH!!

Usually the soreness come on during a cycle with winstrol if you are going to experience soreness at all and many do not. The nandrolone should help a bit.

The soreness could be from the big jump in weights used but more likely from over training. It is very unusual for winstrol to have lingering affect on the joints after a cycle, but it can happen in some sensitive people.

I would highly recommend that you never train more often than 3 days per week on a three way split training MONDAY-WEDNESDAY and FRIDAYS. Also limit your working sest to 2-5 sets per body part. Train hard but very strictly. See my post above.

RG

 

[Realgains]

RG -- thanks for the quick reply.

My doses were Zambon injectibles at 25mgs EOD from weeks 1-4 and then 25 mgs E36hrs from weeks 5-7. The water retention came hard in the second section but make no mistake -- it was there at week 2.

My next go around with winny was going to drink it but if you are suggesting the oral from would produce less water .. and since she made very nice gains, I would be inclined to revisit my decision.

And on an unrelated note, I love reading your posts. One in particular is about nandrolone phenyl prop, which I am seriously considering. You posts are always informative, well written and you are very generous with answering questions in a well thought out way without cutting the message short to save time. Much appreciated. As a matter of fact, you used to post on another board I am active on and then mysteriously stopped posting...I think the girls there join me in wishing you would post there again!

Anyway...thanks.

Thanx for the kind words.

Drinking it would be the same as taking a pill. The injectable is 17 aa to help protect it from the gut just like the pills. Water retention , if any, would be the same.
In my experience water rention from winstrol is rare.

You could drink the stuff, just be sure to measure it out correctly. I suggest a tuberculine syringe for measuring. Then add water and drink.

RG

 

[wilson6]

Great post RG.

"and then when you keep the training pretty much the same and take a small dose of steroid, BOOM ,things take off. "

Exactly.

Most people will start adding weight or intensity like crazy when they go on a cycle, overtrain, develop joint pain and limit their gains then figure they need more juice. At some point they have to stop the cycle and are left with an overtrained, beat up body in a catabolic state and they blame the drugs. What's worse is that many are already overtrained before they start a cycle, then train even harder and make matters even worse. Then come off and they are really f***ed.

If you aren't relatively pain free and making some gains without AAS, then considering a cycle is not the first thing you should be thinking about. The first thing should be to analyze the training and diet, get rid of the pain, start making positive progress, then consider what you will.

If you learn to train smart, get adequate rest and eat right, a small amount of juice will go a long way and reduce the risk of sides and lessen the crash when you come off.

W6

 

[Realgains]

Surely the amount of sides relative to the amount of muscle gain would be the same whether the winny is injected or taken orally? it's just that the bioavailability is less when it is taken orally.

It is best to not inject winstrol if you are a woman because the injectable forms a crystal like deposit that takes about a week to clear so if sides come on you are stuck waiting for the stuff to clear. Taken orally winstrol will clear in less than 24 hours.

Also the dose taken IM needs to be very low due to the higher bioavailability it has over the oral.

6-8 or maybe 10 mg per day taken orally is usually pretty safe but taken IM the dose should be cut down. About 50% more oral wintrol is needed in order to see the nitrogen raising affect of an IM dose. 25 mg of winstrol taken IM every other day would be 12.5 per day and this would roughly be the same as taking about 18.5 mg per day orally, and that is quite a bit of winstrol for a women to take IMHO.

RG

 

[wilson6]

One of the reasons women probably see less sides with the oral winny is: 1) reduced bioavailability due to first hepatic pass, and 2) the IM route provides a potentially much higher blood level after a single injection.

The IM route also results in the metabolites of prior use to hang around for much longer (months) periods of time because some of the suspension may get into fat deposits and be released either very slowly or during times of fat loss (dieting).

W6

 

[fitmedic]

Thanks RG, I have already cut down my training to 2 days per week. Soreness is better but still there when I put pressure on my joints.

 

[Realgains]

Thanks RG, I have already cut down my training to 2 days per week. Soreness is better but still there when I put pressure on my joints.

Which joints are affected?

RG