Why Keto?

[Grizzly]

Why does everyone like this ketogenic diet bullshit? Do you really think it's that effective? Sure, you lose a ton of weight, but so much of it is water loss. Also, doesn't anyone revere Arnold like a god anymore? In his encyclopoedia he explicitly states that one should strive to AVOID a state of ketosis. Now, I'm not saying that the keto-diet is wothless or anything, don't get me wrong, but couldn't you do the same thing and have better workouts if you lowered your carbs just enough to lose weight, but stop just short of ketosis?

 

[diamonddiceclay]

keto diet spares muscle better than any other weight loss diet

 

[enrage]

good answer good answer

 

[Grizzly]

Is that so? From what I understand, when your body is low on carbs it turn to muscle for fuel.

 

[HumanShell]

It will turn to muscle for fuel. That's why you eat a ton of protein and fat. Then, it burns the fat, with a little protein...

 

[sixtythirtyten]

keto diet is a horrible diet. I have been saying this from the first day I heard about it. You will lose muscle unless you use some type of test. Think about it, is a diet that tells you to eat bacon, butter and any other type of bad fat really good for you. Sure, I'm sure that you are thinking well what if I just ate healthy fats like flax or something. The problem is that you are eventually going to have to go back to a normal diet, once you do this your body will be so used to using fat for fuel that it will start storing carbs very easily as fat. That is why the 60% carbs, 30% protein 10% fat diet is the best. You are telling your body to use carbs for fuel, use protein to build muscle, and the fat will be used to provide building blocks for other substances and pad vital organ organ structures(and whatever else fat does). Fat does not break down as easily as carbs and also have over twice the calories, so our body does not need a lot of fat. Also, it is impossible to build muscle naturally if there is no insulin present, so you cannot gain muscle while on keto. And last thing is that what is the point of putting on muscle and then watching it shrink away because of glycogen and potassium depletion. Remember there is good water and there is bad water, good water is inside muscles, bad water is underneith skin from too much salt.

 

[Grizzly]

That's what I'm saying, my brother! How can you workout when you're carbs are so damn non-existent? And, interestingly enough, the brain does not function properly on less then about 60 grams of carbs per day.

 

[big calvin]

You will lose muscle unless you use some type of test. Think about it, is a diet that tells you to eat bacon, butter and any other type of bad fat really good for you.Sure, I'm sure that you are thinking well what if I just ate healthy fats like flax or something. The problem is that you are eventually going to have to go back to a normal diet, once you do this your body will be so used to using fat for fuel that it will start storing carbs very easily as fat. That is why the 60% carbs, 30% protein 10% fat diet is the best. You are telling your body to use carbs for fuel, use protein to build muscle, and the fat will be used to provide building blocks for other substances and pad vital organ organ structures(and whatever else fat does). Fat does not break down as easily as carbs and also have over twice the calories, so our body does not need a lot of fat. Also, it is impossible to build muscle naturally if there is no insulin present, so you cannot gain muscle while on keto. And last thing is that what is the point of putting on muscle and then watching it shrink away because of glycogen and potassium depletion. Remember there is good water and there is bad water, good water is inside muscles, bad water is underneith skin from too much salt.

where do i start.....hmm...yes a low carb diet healthy and in fact healther then your 60/30/10 diet.

if u know anything about low carbs u know that u just dont switch from eating less then 20g of carbs a day to 400g! u slowlly add in carbs per day or week. do u all of a sudden stop 1g of test a week at 8 weeks? or slowlly start cutting back? i thought so.

U CAN GAIN MUSCLE ON A KETO DIET!

 

[big calvin]

You will lose muscle unless you use some type of test. Think about it, is a diet that tells you to eat bacon, butter and any other type of bad fat really good for you.Sure, I'm sure that you are thinking well what if I just ate healthy fats like flax or something. The problem is that you are eventually going to have to go back to a normal diet, once you do this your body will be so used to using fat for fuel that it will start storing carbs very easily as fat. That is why the 60% carbs, 30% protein 10% fat diet is the best. You are telling your body to use carbs for fuel, use protein to build muscle, and the fat will be used to provide building blocks for other substances and pad vital organ organ structures(and whatever else fat does). Fat does not break down as easily as carbs and also have over twice the calories, so our body does not need a lot of fat. Also, it is impossible to build muscle naturally if there is no insulin present, so you cannot gain muscle while on keto. And last thing is that what is the point of putting on muscle and then watching it shrink away because of glycogen and potassium depletion. Remember there is good water and there is bad water, good water is inside muscles, bad water is underneith skin from too much salt.

where do i start.....hmm...yes a low carb diet healthy and in fact healther then your 60/30/10 diet.

if u know anything about low carbs u know that u just dont switch from eating less then 20g of carbs a day to 400g! u slowlly add in carbs per day or week. do u all of a sudden stop 1g of test a week at 8 weeks? or slowlly start cutting back? i thought so.

U CAN GAIN MUSCLE ON A KETO DIET! when u carb up many people can gain or maintain ther LBM. the anabolic diet i think would be a very good diet for increasing muscle while keeping your bodyfat low!

theres good water and bad water? do u mean tap water vs figi water? lol... bro sorry couldnt resisnt...thats why u carbup. so u rush carbs,water,creatine,glutamine, protein in your muscles!

man do some research before bashing a diet u know nothing about.

 

[KWKSLVR]

WOW!!! The 60lbs i've lost MUST be all water weight then.

<Clap Clap Clap> No offense, but you sound kinda ignorant.

1) There has NEVER been a study that shows that a Diet high in fat increases your risk of heart disease, and raises cholesteral. Quite contrary, the only diet that proves the statement above is a diet high in carbs AND fat.

2) Study after study has taken 2 test groups. One whose diet consists of a lean towards carbs, the other towards fat. The group taking in the fat could cycle a good 20 minutes longer (average)

3) A Lipid provides more energy per molecule than a carb.

4) To say that your body HAS to have carbs for energy shows that there needs to be a return to high school freshman biology Hell, alcohol burns faster than a carb, so i guess we should all drink for energy.

5) Gosh, for such an unhealthy diet, its amazing how my weight has gone down, my skin texture has improved, my blood pressure and cholesterol are down, and i have more energy than i've ever had before. Yeah, my cholesteral definately shows that i'm on my way to a heart attack with my 300 grams of fat a day <sarcasim>

6) 95% of people who lose weight on Atkins keep it off because they DON'T return to an old way of eating due to the fact that their new diet is more enjoyable. If the 400 grams of carbs/day is what made them fat in the first place, so why the hell would ANYONE go back to an old way of eating?

Only 3-5% of people who loose weight on a low fat diet don't gain it back. My mother and countless relatives are perfect examples. All who only have 10lbs or so to lose who take the weight off by christmas, only to have it back on by the next year's holiday season.

7) Most people that go on a Keto diet eat more vegetables than they used to because thats their source of their low level of carbs. I went from eating pasta, pizza, Subway, etc. To eating chicken, beef, salad, broccoli, okra, green beans, etc. For most of the average population (i.e. don't work out, etc) going on a Keto diet calls them to eat much more healthy than they used to.

8) The only time your body uses muscle for energy is when is has run out of its sources for fuel (once again Freshman Biology). The first being carbs, the second being fat. Ok, actually, to be technical, alcohol would be first, then carbs, then fat in order of the speed in which they are burned.

The only time your body will burn off excess muscle is when your body is fasting, or if your eating a low carb/low fat diet.

9) You go up to the 20,000 people who have lost weight on Atkins, those who are diabetic and no longer need insulin. Those who have leveled their blood sugar and lowered their cholesteral, and you tell them that they are unhealthy and see what their response is. Please ignore their laughter, its nothing personal

10) I appologize for sounding harsh, but the reality of the situation is that this country has been fed BS for the past 50 years. America did not grow overweight and start seeing cases of heart disease and cancer until after we started increasing sugar and processed food/cola intake, and decrease our intake of beef, butter, and the like. Americans went from consuming a handful of sugar a year to over 12lbs/year now. America is the most health-concious, and the most overweight now, more than ever. Why do you think that is?

11) The FACT is that i eat chicken wings fried in oil twice a week, marinated steak dipped in mayo, bacon, eggs, sausage cooked in butter, salad twice a day, okra, green beans, all vegetables that fit into the 10% carb category, and i am HEALTHY. Scales and doctors reports do not lie. Facts are facts.