Hey I think that cardio is a BEAR like everyone else is but I think you all know that cardio and diet probably in all honesty make up about 80% of bodybuilding you could lift anything you want but if the cardio and the diet arent there it ain't gonna work. I do cardio 6 times a week in the morning . Iswim MON,WED,FRI for hr about 2.5 miles and on TUES,THURS,SAT i jog........----------------the point is TRAIN SMART, NOT HARD.............(kudos to you triplev)-----------buddha1