What constitutes overtraining

[Bulldog_10]

Just curious, but how does one gain muscle if the weight on the bar doesn't keep increasing? What's the logic behind it?

-sk

You see...this is the thing...you DO keep adding weight, but in an undulating fashion. So over time, the weight on the bar DOES increase...it's just that at certain points in your training you're doing more volume...at which point you obviously won't be able to work at maximum intensity.

By doing different intensities, volumes, frequencies, and lifting speeds...you are training your neuromuscular system along with your muscles. If you don't do this, sure you will grow as long as you don't get hurt...but even then, you won't be able to USE this muscle as efficiently as you could had you trained differently. This is why I would NEVER recommend any DC-type training to anyone who actually has a life outside of bodybuilding...not that I would recommend it to anyone at all...but that's a different story.

Am I making sense Sk*? If that doesn't answer your question...let me know...I'll try again.

 

[sk*]

You see...this is the thing...you DO keep adding weight, but in an undulating fashion. So over time, the weight on the bar DOES increase...it's just that at certain points in your training you're doing more volume...at which point you obviously won't be able to work at maximum intensity.

By doing different intensities, volumes, frequencies, and lifting speeds...you are training your neuromuscular system along with your muscles. If you don't do this, sure you will grow as long as you don't get hurt...but even then, you won't be able to USE this muscle as efficiently as you could had you trained differently. This is why I would NEVER recommend any DC-type training to anyone who actually has a life outside of bodybuilding...not that I would recommend it to anyone at all...but that's a different story.

Am I making sense Sk*? If that doesn't answer your question...let me know...I'll try again.

But, do you gain muscle during the volume training sessions when you aren't going to failure? Or are they just fillers?

If you gain muscle during the volume training, while not adding on extra weight, than how do you explain that?

-sk

 

[Bulldog_10]

But, do you gain muscle during the volume training sessions when you aren't going to failure? Or are they just fillers?

If you gain muscle during the volume training, while not adding on extra weight, than how do you explain that?

-sk

No one said anything about not going to failure...when you're in the 8-12 rep range, that should be all you can do...if you can do #13, then the weight is too light.

And again, you ARE adding weight for most of the program, it is just a few microcycles in which you lower the intensity. But if you look at the program overall, you are always adding weight.

The hypertrophy stage (stage with the highest volume, 8-12 reps per set) of my training, has been shown to produce greater changes in LBM and greater decreases in body fat than low volume training. It also increases your short term endurance, especially in terms of doing high intensity training.

This stuff has been shown to be true over and over again. Honestly, I'm not quite sure WHY this is true, but I'm sure I can dig some stuff up...might take some time...but I'll give it a shot.

 

[sk*]

Lots and lots of volume does not mean lots and lots of growth. Frequency is the key to gaining muscle at the fastest rate possible. If I'm training twice as often as you and not overtraining, I'm growing twice as often as you.

Overtraining isn't the word. Recovering ...

If you fully recover than I would agree, but it is hard to tell ...

-sk

 

[Debaser]

Lots and lots of volume does not mean lots and lots of growth. Frequency is the key to gaining muscle at the fastest rate possible. If I'm training twice as often as you and not overtraining, I'm growing twice as often as you.

 

[Bulldog_10]

Lots and lots of volume does not mean lots and lots of growth. Frequency is the key to gaining muscle at the fastest rate possible. If I'm training twice as often as you and not overtraining, I'm growing twice as often as you.

No one facet of your training is any more important than the others...you just have to find the perfect combination of all of them for optimal growth. I can train 7 times as often as you, but that doesn't mean shit because it fucks everything else up.

That's why I don't like DC's program...it bases the whole program on just a few ideas.

 

[bigp3]

Lots and lots of volume does not mean lots and lots of growth. Frequency is the key to gaining muscle at the fastest rate possible. If I'm training twice as often as you and not overtraining, I'm growing twice as often as you.

exactly my point

 

[genarr4]

He's right. I've been following Ed Coan's model for almost 2 years. I switch up an assistance exercise every now and then, but it's basically the same fucking routine every damn week.

Doing this has gotten me to just under a 1900 RAW total (no belt, no wraps) at the age of 20. I kinda think I'll stick with my routine.

Jesus Christ is it time to deadlift yet.

Ed Coan is THE MAN!

Just had to say that.

 

[Debaser]

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[bicepts101]

what do you guys mean by volume?