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Arioch
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Originally posted by SteelWeaver
So, it develops explosive power - for, like, football or basketball?
Yes. By training in a ballistic manner, the stretch reflex is more fully utilized, and should have slightly more carry over into sports utilizing some type of specific stretch reflex, which is most of them. It can theoretically alter rate of force development as well.
And by shortening the sets (say only two rep sets when squatting) there is less of a fatique component when lifting, allowing the lifter to maintain superior technique over an equal number of repetitions in comparison to a bodybuilder who might do two sets of ten, and then start to have a breakdown in technique in the latter stages of the set, which can also lead to injury.
So, it develops explosive power - for, like, football or basketball?
Yes. By training in a ballistic manner, the stretch reflex is more fully utilized, and should have slightly more carry over into sports utilizing some type of specific stretch reflex, which is most of them. It can theoretically alter rate of force development as well.
And by shortening the sets (say only two rep sets when squatting) there is less of a fatique component when lifting, allowing the lifter to maintain superior technique over an equal number of repetitions in comparison to a bodybuilder who might do two sets of ten, and then start to have a breakdown in technique in the latter stages of the set, which can also lead to injury.
SteelWeaver
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KBgrl said:KB is going to tokyo
OMG, WHEN?!! I have to get my gf out of the way!
j/k!! Come on, girl - are you up for a leg session with me?Hannibal and spatts ... LOL! GRUNT ON!
Arioch, thank you.
I happened across a post about this just today on the training board - someone there said their lifts just kept growing, employing westside methods - speed sets one day, max load sets another day. What kind of volume do you do on a program like this? (Oh, I guess I can check this somewhere). And would it be beneficial for a bodybuilder to do it? After my competition I'd like to really improve my strength levels, so that I can maximise growth after that. (There is a correlation between strength and size, right? I'm assuming getting stronger is the only way to help make me grow).Anyway, so a westside type program, employing the basic lifts, for 6 weeks or so, followed by 6-8 weeks of a typical volume training hypertrophy-type bodybuilding program, along with lots of good food should do the trick, right?
OMG, I'm already thinking about AFTER this comp.! Maybe I should try and FOCUS.
Nevertheless, what do you think?
SteelWeaver said:
Ah, insomnia. I was going to go to bed an hour ago, but I couldn't sleep. Glad I caught this -- missed it when you posted it. I can't wait to see those pics! I didn't know you were going to Sydney -- how cool! How big are those games?
I found some more links of Japanese Female BBers; if you are interested, I can dig 'em up, maybe later this week (they're on my work machine). One of em even has several vids of one of the champs (can't remember her name off the top of my head) posing. I think she's won the last few years in a row. She's like 34, I think.
Wyst
SteelWeaver said:
OMG, WHEN?!! I have to get my gf out of the way!
LOL... you are so adorbale "steel"
ya had to throw in that "j/K" though and ruin allll the fun! She'll never find out about "us" steel.. don't worry..she doesnt read the boards.. our secret is safe 
unfortunately I was kidding. I have some trips planned for this year though and I would luv to go check out japan. It would be an experience !! Then we could hop on over to S.A and U.S and have fuuuuun while seeing beautiful things...
ohhhh I would MAKE that buddy of mine let you ride the harleyyyyyyyy... hehe...
steeeeeeeeeellllllllllll... lol... to be continued...
On a serious note -- relax momma, you're doing a good job and training your ass off. You are going to do great! wish I could see you compete
Arioch
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Originally posted by Steelweaver
Arioch, thank you. I happened across a post about this just today on the training board - someone there said their lifts just kept growing, employing westside methods - speed sets one day, max load sets another day. What kind of volume do you do on a program like this? (Oh, I guess I can check this somewhere). And would it be beneficial for a bodybuilder to do it? After my competition I'd like to really improve my strength levels, so that I can maximise growth after that. (There is a correlation between strength and size, right? I'm assuming getting stronger is the only way to help make me grow).
For info on Westside: http://www.elitefts.com/
I think this type of training could be beneficial to a bodybuilder in the off season, I am not sure how well it would apply to preparing for a bodybuilding contest, which you should be focusing on. My knowledge of how to prep for a BB show would consist of "You need to be, like, really big, and diet, a lot, and stuff."
Yes, getting stronger is a good thing, but the relationship between size and strength is not linear. Sacroplasmic hypertrophy is fine for bodybuilders, but does not do much for strength athletes in general, except cause them to move up in weight without a corresponding increase in strength. This would be fine for you, who should be focusing on your contest, but not for me.
Anyway, so a westside type program, employing the basic lifts, for 6 weeks or so, followed by 6-8 weeks of a typical volume training hypertrophy-type bodybuilding program, along with lots of good food should do the trick, right?
What is "the trick?" There should not be any tricks, only a well thought out plan which you either follow or you do not. Your goal is hypertrophy, so find out which rep range or ranges work best for you, and focus on getting bigger. Note that the goal of a strength athlete is to be as strong as possible at the lowest weight possible. If making weight is depleting my strength, it is time to move up a weight class. In my case, it is an easy choice between diet and performance, and performance always wins. Many bodybuilders are so depleted on contest day that they are at there worst performance wise, but no one is judging them on how much they lift or how fast they run. Focus on your goals.
OMG, I'm already thinking about AFTER this comp.! Maybe I should try and FOCUS.
I believe I agree on your need to focus.
"Step by step walk the thousand mile road." - Musashi
Arioch, thank you. I happened across a post about this just today on the training board - someone there said their lifts just kept growing, employing westside methods - speed sets one day, max load sets another day. What kind of volume do you do on a program like this? (Oh, I guess I can check this somewhere). And would it be beneficial for a bodybuilder to do it? After my competition I'd like to really improve my strength levels, so that I can maximise growth after that. (There is a correlation between strength and size, right? I'm assuming getting stronger is the only way to help make me grow).
For info on Westside: http://www.elitefts.com/
I think this type of training could be beneficial to a bodybuilder in the off season, I am not sure how well it would apply to preparing for a bodybuilding contest, which you should be focusing on. My knowledge of how to prep for a BB show would consist of "You need to be, like, really big, and diet, a lot, and stuff."
Yes, getting stronger is a good thing, but the relationship between size and strength is not linear. Sacroplasmic hypertrophy is fine for bodybuilders, but does not do much for strength athletes in general, except cause them to move up in weight without a corresponding increase in strength. This would be fine for you, who should be focusing on your contest, but not for me.
Anyway, so a westside type program, employing the basic lifts, for 6 weeks or so, followed by 6-8 weeks of a typical volume training hypertrophy-type bodybuilding program, along with lots of good food should do the trick, right?
What is "the trick?" There should not be any tricks, only a well thought out plan which you either follow or you do not. Your goal is hypertrophy, so find out which rep range or ranges work best for you, and focus on getting bigger. Note that the goal of a strength athlete is to be as strong as possible at the lowest weight possible. If making weight is depleting my strength, it is time to move up a weight class. In my case, it is an easy choice between diet and performance, and performance always wins. Many bodybuilders are so depleted on contest day that they are at there worst performance wise, but no one is judging them on how much they lift or how fast they run. Focus on your goals.
OMG, I'm already thinking about AFTER this comp.! Maybe I should try and FOCUS.
I believe I agree on your need to focus.
"Step by step walk the thousand mile road." - Musashi
SteelWeaver
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Ooops - sorry KB. Maybe she can join in? And don't worry - she knows I'm a flirt - she loves all the girls lovin' me!
Wyst: There are 3 women at the top of JBB right now - Mizuma - who did well at the World Games, Ishikawa, who is the reigning Ms Nihon, and Mizu...moto(?) - Mizu-thing, who I personally feel has the best symmetry, but she came into the Ms Nihon too soft. I think she's 34 - Ishikawa is older, Mizuma is around the same age. Mizumoto is the tall one I was talking about - she's 172 cm - I'm 181. She's about 10 cm taller than all the rest.
Yeah, would love to see those web pages, if you find them.
Arioch - I'm very focussed - even if I don't sound it. It's just nice to have a general game plan in one's mind, so that when the right time rolls around, one doesn't waste time, and also I find it easier to maintain a high level of drive if the route looks fairly clear.
My knowledge of how to prep for a BB show would consist of "You need to be, like, really big, and diet, a lot, and stuff."
LMFAO! Well, to be sure then, I won't be asking you for contest prep advice! You seem quite good for off-season, though.
What is "the trick?" There should not be any tricks, only a well thought out plan which you either follow or you do not. Your goal is hypertrophy, so find out which rep range or ranges work best for you, and focus on getting bigger.
Just a manner of speaking ... no tricks. "A well thought out plan" is why I'm asking all these questions. I'm reasonably sure of what sort of rep ranges work for me, although this is an ongoing process of discovery and experimentation. What I'm really interested in knowing is whether somehow dramatically (or, well, even somewhat significantly) increasing my strength will promote faster hypertrophy gains in the following mesocycle. If I follow a westside-type program followed by 6-8 weeks of typical bodybuilding moderate rep volume training, what is the likelyhood of my size gains being greater than if I follow a moderate-rep programme for 6-8 weeks, followed by more of the same with different exercises? Most periodisation plans I've seen include a strength phase, but I think they concentrate simply on low reps at maximal load, with plenty of negative training, etc.
So, I'm not interested in being stong for the sake of being strong - I want to be strong so that hypertrophy will happen quicker. But I don't know how to get strong ...
(In the meantime, of course, I am simply focussing on KEEPING what I've got.)
Wyst: There are 3 women at the top of JBB right now - Mizuma - who did well at the World Games, Ishikawa, who is the reigning Ms Nihon, and Mizu...moto(?) - Mizu-thing, who I personally feel has the best symmetry, but she came into the Ms Nihon too soft. I think she's 34 - Ishikawa is older, Mizuma is around the same age. Mizumoto is the tall one I was talking about - she's 172 cm - I'm 181. She's about 10 cm taller than all the rest.
Yeah, would love to see those web pages, if you find them.
Arioch - I'm very focussed - even if I don't sound it. It's just nice to have a general game plan in one's mind, so that when the right time rolls around, one doesn't waste time, and also I find it easier to maintain a high level of drive if the route looks fairly clear.
My knowledge of how to prep for a BB show would consist of "You need to be, like, really big, and diet, a lot, and stuff."
LMFAO! Well, to be sure then, I won't be asking you for contest prep advice! You seem quite good for off-season, though.
What is "the trick?" There should not be any tricks, only a well thought out plan which you either follow or you do not. Your goal is hypertrophy, so find out which rep range or ranges work best for you, and focus on getting bigger.
Just a manner of speaking ... no tricks. "A well thought out plan" is why I'm asking all these questions. I'm reasonably sure of what sort of rep ranges work for me, although this is an ongoing process of discovery and experimentation. What I'm really interested in knowing is whether somehow dramatically (or, well, even somewhat significantly) increasing my strength will promote faster hypertrophy gains in the following mesocycle. If I follow a westside-type program followed by 6-8 weeks of typical bodybuilding moderate rep volume training, what is the likelyhood of my size gains being greater than if I follow a moderate-rep programme for 6-8 weeks, followed by more of the same with different exercises? Most periodisation plans I've seen include a strength phase, but I think they concentrate simply on low reps at maximal load, with plenty of negative training, etc.
So, I'm not interested in being stong for the sake of being strong - I want to be strong so that hypertrophy will happen quicker. But I don't know how to get strong ...
(In the meantime, of course, I am simply focussing on KEEPING what I've got.)
