upper and mid chest exercises???

[Belial]

B&I- that's my chief problem with EMG- the stress may be different, but it's never been shown to be different enough to elicit differing degrees of adaptation. So while perhaps one angle would require comparatively near 100% fiber recruitment of one muscle, and only 95% of another, that is NOT statistically significant, and not enough to prove that one group will undergo a greater degree of hypertrophy. Unless the difference is 100% versus "x%", where x% is not enough stimulation to cause growth/adaptation, or unless it's possible to maximally contract one muscle without also maximally contracting its neighbor, then you simply cannot cause differing degrees of growth.

Add that to the fact that EMG studies are fundamentally imperfect in their assessment methods (either a superficial 'surface' measurement of activity, or a very localized deep muscle probe which may negatively affect muscular contraction), and you don't have something that's going to make anybody raise their eyebrows... or flex their clavicular pec, for that matter.



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*Punches Blood & Iron in the ear*

 

[Blood&Iron]

*Punches Blood & Iron in the ear*

Dammit...that hurt. Boy, those cable crossovers have given you a wicked hook.

I noticed you made sure to include them in your recommendations.

<Holding bleeding ear, but still laughing>

 

[Belial]

Make fun of my foo-foo exercise one more time and I'll peg you with a swiss ball! Worse yet, strangle you with one of those pink toning bands. Then you'll be sorry.




lol.

 

[bignate73]

Make fun of my foo-foo exercise one more time and I'll peg you with a swiss ball! Worse yet, strangle you with one of those pink toning bands. Then you'll be sorry.




lol.

leggo of my pink toning band, without it, how am i supposed to do single leg, opposite arm shoulder presses standing on a half foam roll with my eyes closed?

 

[Blood&Iron]

leggo of my pink toning band, without it, how am i supposed to do single leg, opposite arm shoulder presses standing on a half foam roll with my eyes closed?

I thought you were one of the guys that advocated that sorta stuff, though?(Obviously, not as silly as what's above, but the stability training, etc.) I'd like Poliquin and some others a lot better if they didn't.

 

[ashe]

*stomping foot*

that's not fair! i want to jump in and punch somebody too! and i promise i won't make ya bleed!

 

[ashe]

or we can all mud wrestle!

 

[Belial]

Punch gymtime when he comes back. B&I's already looking pretty beat up.

As for the mud wrestling, hell, I'm in.

 

[the nature boy]

You cannot separately target the clavicular head. You cannot work the "inner chest". You CANNOT work your lower abs. Hack squats will NOT bring out your sweep. Your muscles are NOT special, they work just like everyone else's. Being loud and condescending does not change the fact that you're wrong. Posting a picture of a muscle without understanding even the most rudimentary facts of biomechanics/physiology does NOT add credence to your argument.

You cannot turn lead into gold. There is no such thing as Santa Claus. You cannot change the world. AND YOU CAN'T BUILD YOUR FUCKING UPPER CHEST!





Thank you. Do a frickin' search for god's sake. This has been argued over and over and over and over. And the argument goes something like this:

Questioner) "How do I build my upper chest?"

Person number 1) "It is physically impossible to build your upper chest. It may be a separate muscle, but the degree of stimulation even during incline movements is the same. The indicators/causes of hypertrophy (fatigue, microtears, hormone/enzyme release, etc.) are identical in both the sternal and clavicular head of the pectoralis major, even during incline movements. Under sufficient stress to elicit an adaptive response, both heads will maximally contract. Chest shape is genetically determined, you cannot change it."

Person number 2) "Do inclines!

Person number 1) "Did you not read what I just said????"

Person number 3) "Yeah, inclines and seated inclien (sic) crossovers"

Person number 1) "You're idiots.

Person number 4 (aka 'meathead guru', claim to fame = three cycles) "Hey person number 1. You're an idiot. I can change my chest shape. Arnold said so."

Person number 1) "I give up"

Persons 2-4) "We win! hahaha. *dance around thread in a vaguely homosexual manner before running off to the gym for "lower lat" day.*

nothing like a little comedy in the training forum!

 

[Belial]

nothing like a little comedy in the training forum!

Yah man. I'm liking this thread now, especially since mud wrestling has been mentioned. The male/female ratio kinda sucks, though.