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upper and mid chest exercises???
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You cannot separately target the clavicular head. You cannot work the "inner chest". You CANNOT work your lower abs. Hack squats will NOT bring out your sweep. Your muscles are NOT special, they work just like everyone else's. Being loud and condescending does not change the fact that you're wrong. Posting a picture of a muscle without understanding even the most rudimentary facts of biomechanics/physiology does NOT add credence to your argument.
You cannot turn lead into gold. There is no such thing as Santa Claus. You cannot change the world. AND YOU CAN'T BUILD YOUR FUCKING UPPER CHEST!
Thank you. Do a frickin' search for god's sake. This has been argued over and over and over and over. And the argument goes something like this:
Questioner) "How do I build my upper chest?"
Person number 1) "It is physically impossible to build your upper chest. It may be a separate muscle, but the degree of stimulation even during incline movements is the same. The indicators/causes of hypertrophy (fatigue, microtears, hormone/enzyme release, etc.) are identical in both the sternal and clavicular head of the pectoralis major, even during incline movements. Under sufficient stress to elicit an adaptive response, both heads will maximally contract. Chest shape is genetically determined, you cannot change it."
Person number 2) "Do inclines!
Person number 1) "Did you not read what I just said????"
Person number 3) "Yeah, inclines and seated inclien (sic) crossovers"
Person number 1) "You're idiots.
Person number 4 (aka 'meathead guru', claim to fame = three cycles) "Hey person number 1. You're an idiot. I can change my chest shape. Arnold said so."
Person number 1) "I give up"
Persons 2-4) "We win! hahaha. *dance around thread in a vaguely homosexual manner before running off to the gym for "lower lat" day.*
You cannot turn lead into gold. There is no such thing as Santa Claus. You cannot change the world. AND YOU CAN'T BUILD YOUR FUCKING UPPER CHEST!
Thank you. Do a frickin' search for god's sake. This has been argued over and over and over and over. And the argument goes something like this:
Questioner) "How do I build my upper chest?"
Person number 1) "It is physically impossible to build your upper chest. It may be a separate muscle, but the degree of stimulation even during incline movements is the same. The indicators/causes of hypertrophy (fatigue, microtears, hormone/enzyme release, etc.) are identical in both the sternal and clavicular head of the pectoralis major, even during incline movements. Under sufficient stress to elicit an adaptive response, both heads will maximally contract. Chest shape is genetically determined, you cannot change it."
Person number 2) "Do inclines!
Person number 1) "Did you not read what I just said????"
Person number 3) "Yeah, inclines and seated inclien (sic) crossovers"
Person number 1) "You're idiots.
Person number 4 (aka 'meathead guru', claim to fame = three cycles) "Hey person number 1. You're an idiot. I can change my chest shape. Arnold said so."
Person number 1) "I give up"
Persons 2-4) "We win! hahaha. *dance around thread in a vaguely homosexual manner before running off to the gym for "lower lat" day.*
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Excuse me? An asshole? What do you base that on? That I have a little fun with these absolutely retarded arguments? lol. You don't know me... I've been on this board for QUITE some time. The only person who would call me an asshole is gymtime, and that's because he's a crotchety old coot when he runs out of his metamucil.
(sorry bud, had to take a dig.
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I can't tell you how many times I've argued this. And what's so frustrating is that people that argue it's possible to work separate parts NEVER back up their argument with anything concrete.
Then what happens is newbies are fed wrong information all over again. You were incorrect with your statement on biceps etc. and several of your other assumptions. I do not flame you for being incorrect, you at the very least showed a willingness to change your viewpoint as new information arose. But what pisses me off is those who stubbornly refuse to admit that they may be wrong, even when confronted by solid evidence/arguments.
As sysopt said, it's hopeless. There IS good information floating around this board. But there's twice as much bad information.
Why I'm justifying myself to a rude twit such as yourself, I'll never know.
Then again, I suppose when it comes to discussion board debates, I'd rather be thought of as an asshole by a few people, and be right. (as opposed to being thought of as a nice guy, yet at the same time being completely wrong)
(sorry bud, had to take a dig.
)I can't tell you how many times I've argued this. And what's so frustrating is that people that argue it's possible to work separate parts NEVER back up their argument with anything concrete.
Then what happens is newbies are fed wrong information all over again. You were incorrect with your statement on biceps etc. and several of your other assumptions. I do not flame you for being incorrect, you at the very least showed a willingness to change your viewpoint as new information arose. But what pisses me off is those who stubbornly refuse to admit that they may be wrong, even when confronted by solid evidence/arguments.
As sysopt said, it's hopeless. There IS good information floating around this board. But there's twice as much bad information.
Why I'm justifying myself to a rude twit such as yourself, I'll never know.
Then again, I suppose when it comes to discussion board debates, I'd rather be thought of as an asshole by a few people, and be right. (as opposed to being thought of as a nice guy, yet at the same time being completely wrong)
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gymtime
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Belial said:Excuse me? An asshole? What do you base that on? That I have a little fun with these absolutely retarded arguments? lol. You don't know me... I've been on this board for QUITE some time. The only person who would call me an asshole is gymtime, and that's because he's a crotchety old coot when he runs out of his metamucil.
(sorry bud, had to take a dig.
*shaking my fist in the air* Why you little.....!!!!!
Simple advice, ashe.
Hit your chest with one or two pressing movements that you can do with good form... Flat dumbbell bench and dips are excellent. Add in an isolation exercise like flyes or cable crossovers. Do three sets of each other those, keep the reps between 8 and 10, and try to increase your weight or reps every week. Your chest will get bigger and stronger, that means the upper part, the lower part, the outer part, the inner part, etc.
There's no magic exercise to help you out here, all you can hope is to make the entire muscle bigger. If you're not supposed to do pressing movements because any muscle growth will push the implants down, then simply don't work your chest. You can't hope to just build the upper part (for reasons that have been mentioned) Crossovers will not push the implants down any less than presses will; by 'presses' the doc probably meant ANY chest exercise. If this is the case, you should avoid ANY pec contraction under load. That means dips, flat bench, incline bench, flyes, cable crossovers, etc.
The upper/outer/lower chest, long/short head of biceps etc. IS a myth, please do believe us here. Go check out ANY coursebook on exercise physiology/biomechanics, or go to misc.fitness.weights, supertraining, or any other truely elite group like that, and ask the same question. They'll laugh if you claim you can make those part grow separately. These are PhDs, MDs, the trainers that train the pros, some of the best known names in the field, etc. So if you don't believe us, believe them.
Peace.
Hit your chest with one or two pressing movements that you can do with good form... Flat dumbbell bench and dips are excellent. Add in an isolation exercise like flyes or cable crossovers. Do three sets of each other those, keep the reps between 8 and 10, and try to increase your weight or reps every week. Your chest will get bigger and stronger, that means the upper part, the lower part, the outer part, the inner part, etc.
There's no magic exercise to help you out here, all you can hope is to make the entire muscle bigger. If you're not supposed to do pressing movements because any muscle growth will push the implants down, then simply don't work your chest. You can't hope to just build the upper part (for reasons that have been mentioned) Crossovers will not push the implants down any less than presses will; by 'presses' the doc probably meant ANY chest exercise. If this is the case, you should avoid ANY pec contraction under load. That means dips, flat bench, incline bench, flyes, cable crossovers, etc.
The upper/outer/lower chest, long/short head of biceps etc. IS a myth, please do believe us here. Go check out ANY coursebook on exercise physiology/biomechanics, or go to misc.fitness.weights, supertraining, or any other truely elite group like that, and ask the same question. They'll laugh if you claim you can make those part grow separately. These are PhDs, MDs, the trainers that train the pros, some of the best known names in the field, etc. So if you don't believe us, believe them.
Peace.
Blood&Iron
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Well, at the fear of incurring Belial's wrath, I'd just like to put in my 2 cents. It is physiologically impossible to stress different parts of a single muscle fiber, i.e. it's impossible to work your inner or outer pecs. But there is some evidence to suggest that-- despite the fact that most text books will say a muscle is either completely contracted or not--it *may* be possible to stress different portions of the pectorals. Nothing very convincing, mind you--mostly just EMG stuff, which isn't all that accurate. In my experience, incline chest movements will affect upper chest development. Still, follow Belial's advice and your chest will look just about as good as it possibly can.
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I'm not looking to get into a flame war here, belial, sysopt, etc, I respect your knowlege and experience, but I wanna get my .002 into this...
So what is being said, is that you can build a fully developed upper chest solely by doing flat bench work, ie, flat bench, flat flyes, etc. I disagree, there is no way that you can build a fully developed upper chest strictly by doing flat bench work. I don't have a degree in physiology, only in social work, but I do have 12 years of training, research, and a lot of anecdotal evidence to back up what I'm thinking.
Best example I have is me, those of you that have seen the pic that i posted on here know that I have managed to build a well developed chest over time, but that wasn't always the case. For years all I had done was flat bench work, and my chest looked terrible, all lower thickness and nothing in the upper. So I switched my routine and concentrated almost solely on upper chest for a long time. Over time, my upper chest gained a tremendous amount of size, but the lower did not gain any. So it's not like the whole muscle grew bigger, and as a result of that the upper portion grew; the only place I gained any size was in the upper.
So how could that have happened if I can't target certain areas?
So what is being said, is that you can build a fully developed upper chest solely by doing flat bench work, ie, flat bench, flat flyes, etc. I disagree, there is no way that you can build a fully developed upper chest strictly by doing flat bench work. I don't have a degree in physiology, only in social work, but I do have 12 years of training, research, and a lot of anecdotal evidence to back up what I'm thinking.
Best example I have is me, those of you that have seen the pic that i posted on here know that I have managed to build a well developed chest over time, but that wasn't always the case. For years all I had done was flat bench work, and my chest looked terrible, all lower thickness and nothing in the upper. So I switched my routine and concentrated almost solely on upper chest for a long time. Over time, my upper chest gained a tremendous amount of size, but the lower did not gain any. So it's not like the whole muscle grew bigger, and as a result of that the upper portion grew; the only place I gained any size was in the upper.
So how could that have happened if I can't target certain areas?
