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[Ross]

supression and "shut down" are basically the same thing. And even into the serum/plasma/ t level discussion to break it down it is moot. some guys can just have their t levels drop some without seriously impacting HTPA. most cant. Why spread advice that *most* cant follow?

SUPRESSION and SHUTDOWN are NOT the same at ALL. Pituitary/Testicular inhibtion is not the same as having reduced total T-concentrations.

Furthermore, Despite having a lowered natural TEST PRODUCTION, FREE test(plasma) levels counteract any possible sides-LIBIDO, MOOOD, ect. AND--recovery is swifter.

Tongkat Ali increases FREE Test by binging to SHBG as well--does tongkat cause GYNO? No..

 

[Ross]

Thats a pretty weak study bro. There is a serious abscence of real world numbers.



Also, one could speculate that as one starts the cycle, the amount of free test becomes lessend. Tbol WILL supress test, and the more one is supressed (shut down) the less to total test there will be to free up.

You sound confrontational ...

But anyway...99% of the test in your body is UNUSABLE! It is BOUND TO SHBG. There WIL NEVER EVER EVER EVER be a shortage of BOUND test in the body..which is why REGARDLESS of decreased total T PRODUCTION, Free test levels Soar

 

[nishnish]

cue the sudden, soon to be price rise in tbol thanks to everybody's big fucking mouth....


NOW


i know that we have loads of newbie users on the site, and it's all good really. but those of us who have been around for a while know one thing is certain: over the past 30 years or so, any steroid that has achieved popular status has always seen a concomitant rise in price.

you realize that the main distributor of BD products frequents this site yeah? the more posts like the ones in this thread the more likely we will see the price increase to meet the demand.

so, if you could all kindly SHUT YOUR FUCKING CAKE EATERS it would be well appreciated.

and you know what? while turinabol is a fantastic drug in it's own right, it will never, EVER replace the same proven mass builders that have been blowing bros up since way back.

like galaxy said, you don't see chad nichols recommending tbol do you?

give me test and arimidex and i will build far more quality mass than tbol could ever hope to produce, and with proper PCT i will keep it all.

if test were so dangerous and risky as Ross put it you wouldn't see it prescribed for HRT therapy in the most risky of all patients with regards to side effects- the geriatric sector.

in fact, several long term studies of testosterone administration have been carried out by respected administrations (try the New England Journal of Medicine) and the most severe side effects were acne and gyno, which can be easily treated and/or prevented by the educated user.

 

[Ross]

cue the sudden, soon to be price rise in tbol thanks to everybody's big fucking mouth....


NOW


i know that we have loads of newbie users on the site, and it's all good really. but those of us who have been around for a while know one thing is certain: over the past 30 years or so, any steroid that has achieved popular status has always seen a concomitant rise in price.

you realize that the main distributor of BD products frequents this site yeah? the more posts like the ones in this thread the more likely we will see the price increase to meet the demand.

so, if you could all kindly SHUT YOUR FUCKING CAKE EATERS it would be well appreciated.

and you know what? while turinabol is a fantastic drug in it's own right, it will never, EVER replace the same proven mass builders that have been blowing bros up since way back.

like galaxy said, you don't see chad nichols recommending tbol do you?

give me test and arimidex and i will build far more quality mass than tbol could ever hope to produce, and with proper PCT i will keep it all.

if test were so dangerous and risky as Ross put it you wouldn't see it prescribed for HRT therapy in the most risky of all patients with regards to side effects- the geriatric sector.

in fact, several long term studies of testosterone administration have been carried out by respected administrations (try the New England Journal of Medicine) and the most severe side effects were acne and gyno, which can be easily treated and/or prevented by the educated user.

CHill out there buddy....

Everything will be fine

 

[nishnish]

CHill out there buddy....

Everything will be fine

it's basic economics bro.

 

[maldorf]

whats necrosis??

When the cells die. It is cell death.

 

[Guvna]

You sound confrontational ...

But anyway...99% of the test in your body is UNUSABLE! It is BOUND TO SHBG. There WIL NEVER EVER EVER EVER be a shortage of BOUND test in the body..which is why REGARDLESS of decreased total T PRODUCTION, Free test levels Soar

I'm not trying to be. I apologize if I came off that way, but I am stating what I believe to be correct based on the information that I have read.


ANY drug (steroid) can cause gyno, hairloss, and shutdown. Period. It is nonsensical and misleading to state that it cant .



You say that there will never be a shortage of bound test in the body. That is true......if one is NOT on AAS. However, as we both know, total test ALWAYS declines with the introduction of exogenous androgen, while the degree is debatable. Test is also in the body a VERY short length of time. It will not have "plenty" of total test on 2 days worth of tren, I assure you.


If the body is only making 10% of the test it should be, and it still retains that 1% of it as free, you are still at 1/10 of the amount of test you started at. Then you introduce your test freeing drug. Total test goes down. % of free test rises. Where does that leave you? It may leave some in favorable conditions (higher than normal free T), but there is the distinct possibility that the user could be left with lower than baseline free T levels. Not something I am willing to risk.




In my opinion, I will take [the possibility of] a little bit of extra supression, as well as the chance of sides (as with ANY drug) to make absolutely sure that I have a favorable amount of T and enough to assure that my body has all it needs to complete other functions in which T assists.


Also, what about lipids?? 17aa's are FAR, FAR worse on your lipids that test and nandrolone. THAT is a side I dont like Long term, I dont give a shit about acne or hairloss, but I really cant do much if my heart is, well, busted.

 

[Ross]

I'm not trying to be. I apologize if I came off that way, but I am stating what I believe to be correct based on the information that I have read.


ANY drug (steroid) can cause gyno, hairloss, and shutdown. Period. It is nonsensical and misleading to state that it cant .



You say that there will never be a shortage of bound test in the body. That is true......if one is NOT on AAS. However, as we both know, total test ALWAYS declines with the introduction of exogenous androgen, while the degree is debatable. Test is also in the body a VERY short length of time. It will not have "plenty" of total test on 2 days worth of tren, I assure you.


If the body is only making 10% of the test it should be, and it still retains that 1% of it as free, you are still at 1/10 of the amount of test you started at. Then you introduce your test freeing drug. Total test goes down. % of free test rises. Where does that leave you? It may leave some in favorable conditions (higher than normal free T), but there is the distinct possibility that the user could be left with lower than baseline free T levels. Not something I am willing to risk.




In my opinion, I will take [the possibility of] a little bit of extra supression, as well as the chance of sides (as with ANY drug) to make absolutely sure that I have a favorable amount of T and enough to assure that my body has all it needs to complete other functions in which T assists.


Also, what about lipids?? 17aa's are FAR, FAR worse on your lipids that test and nandrolone. THAT is a side I dont like Long term, I dont give a shit about acne or hairloss, but I really cant do much if my heart is, well, busted.

I am sorry, but you are wrong about a few things.

NON-Aromatizing steroids can NOT cause gyno. Not during post-cycle, never--period. (WITH the RARE exception in someone who had Pubetural gyno)
NOT ALL STEROIDS can cause hairloss and shutdown. In extremely sensitive individuals who are genetically predisposed, hairloss MAY occur from any androgen, but in general, the LIKLIHOOD of hairloss is MUCH greater wuth compounds like TEST, DBOL, and FINA, rather than tbol, var, and EQ.

SHUTDOWN (defined by COMPLETE PITUITARY AND TESTICULAR inhibition)only occurs with HIGHLY androgenic/Estrogenic compounds such as the PRIMARY sex hormone TESTOSTERONE , Anadrol, and its Progestenic brothers, Deca and Tren...Reduced Testosterone production will likely occur from any exogenous hormone being adminsitered.

Your body has enough BOUND test to last your body YEARS--without ANY test production. You will never "RUN OUT". I don't think you understand the role Sex hormone binding globulin plays in maintaining homestasis within the endocrine system.

Lipid profile can be improved DRASTICALLY by taking Nolvadex, which has been clinically demonstrated to do so.

And finally--it is SAFER for your body to be shutdown--than to be producing SUPRAPHYSIOLOGICAL doses of TEST. There is a reason the medical community uses Synthetic adndrogens over test.

 

[bigrand]

the synthetics used commonlly are nandrolone/anadrol/var/test.......anadrol for anemias (RBC production) nandrolone for cacexia (sp) becasue its more ANABOLIC and var as well as nand. Test isnt really administered in supraphysiological doses in clinical settings, just enough to get you what you need (200mg bi weekly).

 

[Ross]

the synthetics used commonlly are nandrolone/anadrol/var/test.......anadrol for anemias (RBC production) nandrolone for cacexia (sp) becasue its more ANABOLIC and var as well as nand. Test isnt really administered in supraphysiological doses in clinical settings, just enough to get you what you need (200mg bi weekly).

ANY dose of TEST is a SUPRAPHSYIOLOGICAL DOSE--meaning, way beyond what the BODY NORMALLY PRODUCES, Even 200mgs WEEKLY is 10x more than you produce in a week. In clinical studies, only 25mgs ED resulted in complete PITUITARY/TESTICULAR inhibition(shutdown)...NOT supression.

Syhthetic androgens include Nandrolone, Oxandrolone, Turinabol, Winstrol, Methandrostenelone, Methenelone, and masteron.
Testosterone (and nandrolone)is being used as Male birth control. Just a thought.