Turinabol+ Anavar ULTIMATE STACK!

[mendo]

all i know is i just came off tbol 60mg ed, finished pct which was nolva 20mg ed cause i felt so good. wouldve done 40mg ed if i thought i needed it. my libido is through the roof still. no sides no gyno nada.

As you know Bruce I love Tbol. I have only had one side from it ever...and I posted this same study awhile back as it mentions how Tbol is excreted via the kidneys. Great stuff...and very easy recovery and PCT. But when I read the study...I get that Tbol frees up test such that it can be isolated from the plasma...and that seems to indicate that maybe some of the benefits from Tbol are from free test...which also has other effects in the body, thats all I'm saying. Nobody is getting gyno or hairloss.

 

[Ross]

Each and every time I use TBOL I am dry as a bone. NO GYNO--remember, I can not use AROMATZING steroids....and no male should. (Ill explain later!!)

 

[mendo]

Yep it does. Plasma levels of FREE test concentrations and Total T productions are much different. Furthermore, this characteristic makes turinabol (like WInstrol) capable of INCREASING the effeciacy of OTHER compounds being used.

I agree with what you're saying...but wouldn't at least be POSSIBLE that by increasing the efficiency of test, it could also increase tests other effects...such as libido (which many, including you have noted).

 

[mendo]

Each and every time I use TBOL I am dry as a bone. NO GYNO--remember, I can not use AROMATZING steroids....and no male should. (Ill explain later!!)

RLM, I'm just playing devils advocate to try to make a point. I am gyno prone myself and have never had even an itch from Tbol. But it does seem odd to me that it somehow only magnifies the POSITIVE effects of test in the body.

 

[Bruce]

its fucking sweet though so i'll take the test libido without the sides and not ask questions

 

[mendo]

its fucking sweet though so i'll take the test libido without the sides and not ask questions

LOL. Yeah maybe you're right. If it ain't broke don't fix it... Tbol is the shit...I'll just leave it at that.

 

[krishna]

Where does your study say it stays tissue saturated? What about what Mendo said about PLASMA LEVELS being higher?

 

[Guvna]

Nope

Anavar won't shut you down, but it can suppress you.


Clin Endocrinol (Oxf). 1993 Apr;38(4):393-8.
The effects of oxandrolone on the growth hormone and gonadal axes in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty.
Malhotra A, Poon E, Tse WY, Pringle PJ, Hindmarsh PC, Brook CG.

Endocrine Unit, Middlesex Hospital, London, UK.

OBJECTIVE: We studied the effects of oxandrolone on serum concentrations of LH, FSH, testosterone, GH, SHBG, DHEAS, IGF-I and insulin in boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty. DESIGN: Ten boys with constitutional delay of growth and puberty, mean age 13.8 years (range 12.4-15.5) were studied. Twenty-four-hour serum concentration profiles of GH, LH and FSH were constructed by drawing blood samples at 20-minute intervals. Three study occasions over a period of 6 months were chosen to assess hormone concentrations before, during and 6 weeks after a 3-month course of oxandrolone (2.5 mg once daily) therapy. RESULTS: Growth velocity increased during oxandrolone treatment and stayed higher after therapy (pre 3.9 +/- 0.5; on 6.3 +/- 0.8; post 6.4 +/- 0.9 cm/year (mean +/- SEM) two way ANOVA, F = 5.3, P = 0.02). Oxandrolone had androgenic effects, suppressing mean serum LH concentrations from 1.7 +/- 0.3 to 1.1 +/- 0.2 U/I and serum testosterone concentrations from 1.9 +/- 0.6 to 0.8 +/- 0.1 nmol/l. SHBG concentrations were also reduced from 130.9 +/- 14.6 to 30.7 +/- 7.3 nmol/l. Serum GH concentration fell slightly from 5.9 +/- 0.6 to 4.8 +/- 0.5 mU/l. After cessation of treatment, there was a significant 'rebound' in mean 24-hour serum LH (2.6 U/l +/- 0.4) and testosterone concentrations (3.2 +/- 0.9 nmol/l) but no change in serum GH concentrations. SHBG values also rose but not to the same extent as those observed before therapy (82.0 +/- 8.4 nmol/l). There were no statistically significant differences in serum concentrations of FSH, DHEAS, IGF-I and insulin over the study period. In a stepwise multiple regression analysis of factors that might influence the growth rate observed, the 24-hour mean serum testosterone concentration and the treatment (on or off) with oxandrolone were the main influences. The relationship was described by the equation Height velocity = 0.69 (24-hour mean serum testosterone concentration)+1.70 (treatment regimen)+3.37 (adjusted R2 = 0.35, F = 8.39, P = 0.001). CONCLUSIONS: Oxandrolone has an androgenic action as shown by changes in serum LH, testosterone and SHBG concentrations and by the lack of effect on FSH. No effect of oxandrolone on the GH axis was documented. We suggest that the growth promoting effects of oxandrolone are related in part to the mild androgenic effects of the steroid and the growth acceleration following oxandrolone withdrawal may reflect increasing total serum testosterone concentrations and decreasing levels of SHBG and progress in puberty.

PMID: 8319371 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

supression and "shut down" are basically the same thing. And even into the serum/plasma/ t level discussion to break it down it is moot. some guys can just have their t levels drop some without seriously impacting HTPA. most cant. Why spread advice that *most* cant follow?

 

[Guvna]

Schumann W.

Institut fur Mikrobiologie und experimentelle Therapie
(ZIMET), Jena.

Disposition and excretion of the anabolic steroid Oral-
Turinabol (1;4-chloro-17 alpha-methyl-androsta-1,4-diene-17
beta-hydroxy-3-one) were investigated in male volunteers.
Following single p.o. and i.v. administration of the tritium-
labelled compound the plasma concentration courses of total
radioactivity (1 and 1-metabolites) and of the unchanged
parent drug as well as the urinary excretion were estimated.
From these data model independent pharmacokinetic parameters
based on statistical moments were calculated. 1 is almost
completely absorbed after p.o. administration of 10 mg per
volunteer. Peak concentrations of total radioactivity and of 1
in plasma were reached about 3 h p.a. Irregularities
observed in the plasma level profile following both p.o. and
i.v. administration of 1 are due to a marked enterohepatic
circulation. Orally given 1 is subject to a first-pass
effect, resulting in a diminished systematic availability.
The AUC-ratio of the unchanged drug and the total
radioactivity of 1 : 13 shows the predominance of metabolites
in plasma. After i.v. administration the disposition of
unchanged 1 was found biphasically with a terminal half-life
of 16 h. 1 and its metabolites are preferentially excreted
via the kidneys. The urinary total radioactivity represented
about 60% of the dose following both administrations. Due to
its affinity to SHBG 1 is able to compete for the protein
binding of testosterone, resulting in an increased plasma
level of non protein-bound testosterone.


Free testosterone is immediately available for anabolism as it is tissue saturated.

Thats a pretty weak study bro. There is a serious abscence of real world numbers.


Also, one could speculate that as one starts the cycle, the amount of free test becomes lessend. Tbol WILL supress test, and the more one is supressed (shut down) the less to total test there will be to free up.

 

[Guvna]

AGAIN--Let me clarify for those who insist on being closed-minded...

I Don't use TESTOSTERONE--Test is GREAT for mass, I am just unwilling to risk gyno, hairloss, or acne, because I am a MODEL.



um, so var cant cause hairloss or acne? tell that to my head, and my face. I and lost more hair on var than I did on T, and still brokeout (abliet not as badly). Guys also get GYNO, yes GYNO from var. Why? Cause their androgen/estrogen balance gets out of whack because of the SHUTDOWN that CAN occur.




I do enjoy discourse, so let's keep the knowledge flowing.

PS, as for BEING SHUTDOWN vs SUPRESSED--there is a HUGE difference. And the study demonstrating that VAR didn't even shutdown a 14 year old boy illustrates it's relative safety. AND--as I discussed earlier, being SUPRESSED actually confers a benefit post cycle, as a REBOUND in T-levels will occur upon cessation.

Had the boy gone through puberty yet? Also, you know what accompanies a T-surge post cycle? LOTS of estrogen. I have personally seen the bloodwork of a guy that wanted to see if trib really worked. So he got periodic tests done with it. And it did work...sort of. He was not on anything. He took lots of trib for a period i dont exactly recall, maybe a week and got his test checked. Well, it went up. Great. A couple weeks later he got his test checked again. His test went back down to normal, and is E had DOUBLED. No thanks. Ill stick with an anti-aromatase and nolva....and test.