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[Guvna]

I am sorry, but you are wrong about a few things.

NON-Aromatizing steroids can NOT cause gyno. Not during post-cycle, never--period. (WITH the RARE exception in someone who had Pubetural gyno)
NOT ALL STEROIDS can cause hairloss and shutdown. In extremely sensitive individuals who are genetically predisposed, hairloss MAY occur from any androgen, but in general, the LIKLIHOOD of hairloss is MUCH greater wuth compounds like TEST, DBOL, and FINA, rather than tbol, var, and EQ.

SHUTDOWN (defined by COMPLETE PITUITARY AND TESTICULAR inhibition)only occurs with HIGHLY androgenic/Estrogenic compounds such as the PRIMARY sex hormone TESTOSTERONE , Anadrol, and its Progestenic brothers, Deca and Tren...Reduced Testosterone production will likely occur from any exogenous hormone being adminsitered.

Your body has enough BOUND test to last your body YEARS--without ANY test production. You will never "RUN OUT". I don't think you understand the role Sex hormone binding globulin plays in maintaining homestasis within the endocrine system.

Lipid profile can be improved DRASTICALLY by taking Nolvadex, which has been clinically demonstrated to do so.

And finally--it is SAFER for your body to be shutdown--than to be producing SUPRAPHYSIOLOGICAL doses of TEST. There is a reason the medical community uses Synthetic adndrogens over test.

Im sorry, I disagree on pretty much all accounts, for reasons that I have already explained. Except for the fact that nolva is good for lipids. It is decent, but iit certainly isnt magic. I also try to stay off of nolva as much as possible. I dont like the possible long term side effects of it. I just dont take 17AA's, period (well I did, but dont now).

I have PERSONALLY seen a guy get gyno from real var, as well as read about a few other cases of it. Can I still not change your mind about being able to get gyno from var? It is not directly caused by it, but it CAN happen.


And if total test can last for "years" in your system, why to guys constantly come back with PC blood tests of total T levels of < 100?

 

[Tweakle]

If you're over your genetic potential then no roid is going to give you 'keepable gains'' when you stop taking it, even if you're magically somehow not suppressed or shrunk, can we knock that bs on the head please. 2-6 months down the line it will all be gone.

 

[Ross]

Im sorry, I disagree on pretty much all accounts, for reasons that I have already explained. Except for the fact that nolva is good for lipids. It is decent, but iit certainly isnt magic. I also try to stay off of nolva as much as possible. I dont like the possible long term side effects of it. I just dont take 17AA's, period (well I did, but dont now).

I have PERSONALLY seen a guy get gyno from real var, as well as read about a few other cases of it. Can I still not change your mind about being able to get gyno from var? It is not directly caused by it, but it CAN happen.


And if total test can last for "years" in your system, why to guys constantly come back with PC blood tests of total T levels of < 100?

Well, this ONE PERSON who got GYNO from VAR(????) is the rarest individual in the WORLD, AND HIS CASE MEANS NOTHING--has no relevance to any of us.

As for not using orals due to 17-AA--that is a shame. Hepatoxicity is somewhat overstated, and I think you should at least give var or tbol a try. You will be fine.

As for the BLOOD TESTS...there will never be a case when a man has ZERO protein-bound test levels. SHBG is always maintaining homesostasis within the endorcine system.

I enjoy your discourse..

 

[Guvna]

ANY dose of TEST is a SUPRAPHSYIOLOGICAL DOSE--meaning, way beyond what the BODY NORMALLY PRODUCES, Even 200mgs WEEKLY is 10x more than you produce in a week. In clinical studies, only 25mgs ED resulted in complete PITUITARY/TESTICULAR inhibition(shutdown)...NOT supression.

Syhthetic androgens include Nandrolone, Oxandrolone, Turinabol, Winstrol, Methandrostenelone, Methenelone, and masteron.
Testosterone (and nandrolone)is being used as Male birth control. Just a thought.

200mgs, counting esterweight of enth, is only about 2-5 times more than the body makes.


T is being used as birth control, but not to any large extent. I cant go get T to control my spermcount like a woman can get her birth control pills. T birt control is also probably the worst method of birth control in existance. It really doesnt work well...at all.

 

[Ross]

200mgs, counting esterweight of enth, is only about 2-5 times more than the body makes.


T is being used as birth control, but not to any large extent. I cant go get T to control my spermcount like a woman can get her birth control pills. T birt control is also probably the worst method of birth control in existance. It really doesnt work well...at all.

Point is--ANY dose of EXOGENOUS TESTOSTEORNE--even 25mgs ED!-- Will cause COMPLETE pituitary/testucular inhibtion--this is NOT the case with other, more mild, less androgenic/estrogenic testosterone DERIVATIVES--Methenelone, Turinabol, Oxandrolone, Stanzalol.

 

[Guvna]

Well, this ONE PERSON who got GYNO from VAR(????) is the rarest individual in the WORLD, AND HIS CASE MEANS NOTHING--has no relevance to any of us.

As for not using orals due to 17-AA--that is a shame. Hepatoxicity is somewhat overstated, and I think you should at least give var or tbol a try. You will be fine.

As for the BLOOD TESTS...there will never be a case when a man has ZERO protein-bound test levels. SHBG is always maintaining homesostasis within the endorcine system.

I enjoy your discourse..

I have SEEN only one. I have read of others.


I agree hepatoxicity is way overstated. I am not worried about that though. I worry about my cholesterol. THAT is not overstated.

I have done var.


True, a man will probably never have zero total test, but if you can only increase the percentage of free test available with tbol, and your total T is very low, you have not accomplished anything. Ever though that it just may be the drug itself that increases your libido and makes you feel good, aside form the test-freeing theory you have?

Dbol did the same for me, and one of my good friends. I took it for two weeks alone before the test started up one time. Libido was way, way up, and so was my feeling of well-being. And my t-levels were most certainly supressed.




I would also like to see a study in which nolva "drastically" improves cholesterol. It does a significant amount, but nothing to write home about. T is most DEFINATELY the best drug for your lipids, and ill post up as many studies as you like to back this up (except for maybe a 2mg dose of furazabol ED). That alone makes it far more attractive that var and tbol, and especially winstrol (the worst drug for lipids).

 

[criffer]

So far from the posts I have read on here the people who have actually used Tbol really love it and claim good gains, in reality thats what were all looking for anyways along with minimal sides....basically best bang for the buck, with least sides....

 

[Ross]

I have SEEN only one. I have read of others.


I agree hepatoxicity is way overstated. I am not worried about that though. I worry about my cholesterol. THAT is not overstated.

I have done var.


True, a man will probably never have zero total test, but if you can only increase the percentage of free test available with tbol, and your total T is very low, you have not accomplished anything. Ever though that it just may be the drug itself that increases your libido and makes you feel good, aside form the test-freeing theory you have?

Dbol did the same for me, and one of my good friends. I took it for two weeks alone before the test started up one time. Libido was way, way up, and so was my feeling of well-being. And my t-levels were most certainly supressed.

Well technically, ORAL-TURINABOL is simply a MODIFIED Testosterone molecule. It is a DESIGNER steroid developed by the east germans. CHLORODEHYDROMETHYLTESTOSTERONE is merely TEST that can not aromatize or convert to DHT. So besides inherently increasing free test levels, you now have essentially TEST(modified) circulaing througout your body--but it can NOT Metabololize, meaning, it can be used SOLEY for anabolism!(and things like libido, mood, appetite) Tbol is basically TEST--so of course tbol itself(TEST) causes libido increase.



I would also like to see a study in which nolva "drastically" improves cholesterol. It does a significant amount, but nothing to write home about. T is most DEFINATELY the best drug for your lipids, and ill post up as many studies as you like to back this up (except for maybe a 2mg dose of furazabol ED). That alone makes it far more attractive that var and tbol, and especially winstrol (the worst drug for lipids).

Well technically, ORAL-TURINABOL is simply a MODIFIED Testosterone molecule. It is a DESIGNER steroid developed by the east germans. CHLORODEHYDROMETHYLTESTOSTERONE is merely TEST that can not aromatize or convert to DHT. So besides inherently increasing free test levels, you now have essentially TEST(modified) circulaing througout your body--but it can NOT Metabololize, meaning, it can be used SOLEY for anabolism!(and things like libido, mood, appetite) Tbol is basically TEST--so of course tbol itself(TEST) causes libido increase.

 

[Guvna]

Point is--ANY dose of EXOGENOUS TESTOSTEORNE--even 25mgs ED!-- Will cause COMPLETE pituitary/testucular inhibtion--this is NOT the case with other, more mild, less androgenic/estrogenic testosterone DERIVATIVES--Methenelone, Turinabol, Oxandrolone, Stanzalol.

True, it is dose dependant. 25 mgs a day can still be 5 times more than your endogenous T. Shit, I grew off that. Not much, but I did. And I (personally) did not need nor use any PC, and kept all of my (small, but quality) gains.


While T is certainly more likey to produce faster and sometimes "harder" supression, the drugs listed above CAN do the same. It is very dose dependant. 2.5 mgs for var a day may not cause total HTPA supression, bu then again neither will 2.5 mgs of T. 25mgs may cause it ( I dont think it did on me, but I did not have blood tests, so that is speculative). However, 50-60 mgs of stan certainly has that same abilty, maybe even less.

and as for one of the injectables you like: EQ, that drug is highly androgenic (not as much as test or tren, but moreso than winstrol, primo, deca [though deca does cause supression via different mechanisms]. a decent dose of EQ , ~400mgs or over, will most definately cause total supression, and fast.

 

[Guvna]

Well technically, ORAL-TURINABOL is simply a MODIFIED Testosterone molecule. It is a DESIGNER steroid developed by the east germans. CHLORODEHYDROMETHYLTESTOSTERONE is merely TEST that can not aromatize or convert to DHT. So besides inherently increasing free test levels, you now have essentially TEST(modified) circulaing througout your body--but it can NOT Metabololize, meaning, it can be used SOLEY for anabolism!(and things like libido, mood, appetite) Tbol is basically TEST--so of course tbol itself(TEST) causes libido increase.

Im sorry, but this is 100% wrong.

test is test. Test is NOT methyltestosterone , or chlorodehydromethyltestosterone.

There are completely different animals.

A simple test to see if a drug is indeed testosterone: Take some, get T levels checked. If your total T levels went up, it is test, if not, it is not test.

MT has alomost zero anablosim, but by your rational, it should be very similar to test. It is not, at all.

MT and TBOL hardly have a thing in common with the molecule testosterone.