Those CRAZY dosages aren't making sence...

[JibbyJabba]

The answer is simple. Most of the "experts" really don't know what they're doing. They don't know how to train and they don't know how to make the most of their cycles. But they're real good at doing lots of drugs! And THAT, is what (supposedly) makes them experts.

The ever increasing dosages become so familiar, so commonplace, so comfortable, that a cavalier attitude is developed. In an effort to convince themselves that there's nothing to fear they encourage newbies to do the same thing. It's really quite contemptable, but you can't blame them. For the most part, they're too stupid to realize how stupid they are.

You often see comparisons to what he "pros" use when in fact, they have no idea what the pros use. People defend insulin use because that's what makes the pros today so much bigger than the guys from the 60's and 70's. Meanwhile you have kids using insulin who are 185 pounds with 14% fat. After all, t's what the pros do

People destroy their thyroid because they wanted to look good on the beach for a month. It's beyond absurd.

Nobody here is a pro and only a handful compete. But the mentality is; the pros today are bigger, they take more gear, so more gear is the way to get bigger. Simple.

The truth of the matter is, nobody needs more than a gram a week. You can get HUGE on a gram a week. But just taking more drugs is easier.

And to some, they can never be big enough. Their goal is not to have a beautiful body -- you know, the kind that "men admire and women desire." They want to be a freak -- an oddity. Something that attracts attention. They also feel a bizarre sense of pride that they're willing to take insane dosages. It's sad really. There must be something tragically absent from a persons life if their main objective is to take up more space. And misery wants company. And THAT is why you see the recommened dosages that you do.



There...I said it.

There it is... eloquent as always.

 

[2scoops]

I am going to do my first cycle in about 2 months but ive been reading lots and lots of threads. what to take what not to take, then there's what to take post cycle, and what to take for sides.

I plan my cycle , then i change my mind because people reply with i'd go with blah blah and so on.

Im 6'1 190pds 12-14 bf

my goals are to lower body fat and increase muscle and strength and speed , I know about diet , could do with more knowledge on training.

Just want some advice on a decent low cycle that will yield gains and not cause sides thanx

Was going with sust 250 ew 4 8 weeks with some var at 25ed

 

[Nelson Montana]

There was a study on www.ast-ss.com that showed Chrysin can raise chances of gyno instead of lowering it. I can dig it up if you want.

-sk

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I'd like to see that. Supp companies are always twisting the facts in order to prove the superiority of their products but if the research was honest, I'd be curious why chyrsin "can" raise the "chances" of getting gyno.

Incidentally, I always felt clomid, being an estrogen and having estrogenic effects in some people could also be likely to raise the chance of getting gyno but I have no proof.

2scoops: If you admit that you need to learn more about training why are you looking to do a cycle? (That's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is that you're lazy). Only after trying every training technique possible, peaking out your natural abilty, and then trying it all over again, should you consider steroids. If you don't have that desire to learn all there is learn about traning, you'll never stick with it anyway.

 

[Mr.Holland]

Great cycle imo!
The var will give you great strenght gains.

Make sure you have some nolva, in case of gyno. (i didnt and regret it).
Last time i hear lots of great stuff about maca (3gr a day, in divited dosages) and avena sativa (2 gr a day, also divited). Never did it myself, but im going to try it when current cycle is over. Add some Ldex or nolva for keepin estrogen-levels down.

If you want mass train INTENSE and short. To know what really intense is train one week every muscle group once, with 2 excercises for one set. In that one set you'll have to give all.
Its strange but when you know its your only set its easier to go till absolute faillure. Its something mentally i think.
Anyway.. the feeling that one set gives you, is the feeling every set has to give you from now on.
Train every bodypart once a week. Total sets for large musclegroups (quads, shoulders, back, chest) : max. 9.
Total sets for small groups: max. 6
rep-range: 12 - 6.
and like i said.. train intense..

You can do some cardio if you want to.. but it will hinder maximum gains. About 2 - 3 times 20 min of cardio is more than enough.

Good luck bro!
Keep us updated...

 

[sk*]

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I'd like to see that. Supp companies are always twisting the facts in order to prove the superiority of their products but if the research was honest, I'd be curious why chyrsin "can" raise the "chances" of getting gyno.

Incidentally, I always felt clomid, being an estrogen and having estrogenic effects in some people could also be likely to raise the chance of getting gyno but I have no proof.

2scoops: If you admit that you need to learn more about training why are you looking to do a cycle? (That's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is that you're lazy). Only after trying every training technique possible, peaking out your natural abilty, and then trying it all over again, should you consider steroids. If you don't have that desire to learn all there is learn about traning, you'll never stick with it anyway.

I couldn't find the one I was looking for, but this "article" suggests that chrysin is worthless based on a study they did (i'm sure the study can be found somewhere on their website):


Q: I read where you say Chrysin does not prevent aromatization and should not be taken with androstenedione. How come every other company sells andro supplements with chrysin in them and says that it does help reduce aromatization and also boosts testosterone?


A: We have said this for quite a few years now. Chrysin is a worthless supplement and should never be taken with ando supplements. In fact, a recent study unequivically proved this.

In the International Journal of Sport Nutrition & Exercise Metabolism, the study, "Effects of Anabolic Precursors on Serum Testosterone Concentrations and Adaptations to Resistance Training in Young Men." was put together to see specifically if chrysin or indol-3-Carbinol increased the testosterone elevating effects and/or reduced the aromatization effects of androstenedione.

Using the supplement Andro-6, the study concluded that, " . . . addition of these herbal extracts (chrysin) to androstenedione does not result in increased serum testosterone concentrations, reduce the estrogenic effect of androstenedione, and does not augment the adaptations to resistance training."

As to why all the other supplement companies sell worthless andro concoctions with chrysin in them is simple. They do no research at all. They are "monkey see - monkey do" operations. It works like this; If a company comes out with a stupid supplement supported by no research but spends tons of money marketing the worthless supplement, other "me too" companies will knock the worthless product off and sell it under their own name. It happens all the time. It's the blind leading the blind.

It's pathetic but it's very prevelent in the sports nutrtion industry.

Effects of Anabolic Precursors on Serum Testosterone Concentrations and Adaptations to Resistance Training in Young Men. International Journal of Sport Nutrition & Exercise Metabolism, 10 (3).

-sk

 

[2scoops]

2scoops: If you admit that you need to learn more about training why are you looking to do a cycle? (That's a rhetorical question. I know the answer is that you're lazy). Only after trying every training technique possible, peaking out your natural abilty, and then trying it all over again, should you consider steroids. If you don't have that desire to learn all there is learn about traning, you'll never stick with it anyway.


Nelson I am not lazy , I just have a busy and demanding lifestyle and yes I know that isn't much of an excuse.That is why I have never done a cycle before and I dont intend to do so until all things are in place.

I am being sensible and asking opinions (Thanks mr holland).

Your dead right i havent peaked naturally but I will in the future check stats as i have great genetics.

I have read some of your posts and you are extremely knowledgable in the subject and I definately agree with most of what you have to say.Safe and effective.

So what would be your first cycle for me, seriously!

PS you have given me great motivation with your comments

 

[Nelson Montana]

2scoops: I'm just challangng your desicion in an effort to make you think twice about what you're doing. Your choice for a first cycle looks fine, but if you have good genetics, I'd suggest making the most of them before using the sauce just because you have a busy schedule. You still have to train hard to makes gains. Make the most of it. I hate to see anyone use gear while they're still capable of growing naturally.

sk: I've seen lots of conflicting info on chrysin and my personal experience with it was less than impressive. But after trying a higher dose along with bioprene it seems to kick in. Granted, this is strictly imperical. In the case of adding it to androsteine, if they just threw in a "window dressng" dose I imagine it wouldn't do much. And androsteine is REALLY estrogenic so how can they tell how much the chrysin is supressing?

Indole 3 is an interesting compound. At high dosages it has a similar negitive effect on me as Clomid, so it does SOMETHING. (even if that something works against my goals) Some say it lowers "bad" estogen and raises "good estrogen, but that "good" estrogen isn't necessarily good for BB's. Maintaining optimum estro is tricky and there's still a lot we don't know.

 

[THE_BIG_FED]

why don't you mind your own fucking business holland and let people do what they want instead of threatening other members and trying to get them banned. idiot. three cheers to 3 grams a fucking week.

 

[Mr.Holland]

The only member i threatend is FREAKZILLA1.. and the dipshit asked for it. He pm-ed me first and give me bad karma, just because i didnt had the same opinion...
And i havent tried to get somebody banned...

would be nice if they did ban you.. for the fuckin second time!!

And another thing.. if you dont have anything else to say than this shit.. you fuck up someone elses thread!

 

[Mr.Holland]

ohhh... and another thing...

i do let people make their own disicions (hope thats spelled right)..
I only dont understand them.. doesnt make sence to me..
and clearly some people have the same opinion.
just want to start a discussion on this board.. gee..isnt that what this board is all about..