Strength coaches

[Tiervexx]

i know that you all like myself know the value of dead lifts for building up the back.
in my weights and conditioning class i noticed that the coach did not include dead lifts in the routine. when i asked why he said "coaches know that dead lifts are just a 'max-out lift' people just do them to see how much they can pull and to show off, there is no point in doing them very often because there are much better ways of putting muscle in that area" !!!!!!!!!
i think the problem is that a lot of people think of dead lifts as a leg movement, and obviously squats will do more for your quads then dead lifts but when done correctly dead lifts do more for the entire back then anything else by far. Another coach told me that dead lifts were terrible for the lower back even if you keep your lower back locked....

I decided that there was no point in arguing with them but i know that many power lifters and body builders that deads are THE brute strength builder, and as far as real world applications go they are the best lift you can do because think about it... how many times a day do you use a motion similar to the one used in dead lifts? they obviously won't help with explosiveness(which is important to athletes) but the fact that he said they were not good for mass and strength is so stupid i find it offensive.

it is amazing how much coach's advice goes against what nearly every top body builder and power lifter does. This same coach who told me dead lifts were useless actually told me that even after doing MULTIPLE sets of SEVERAL different exercises on a body part it should be fully recovered in ONLY 48 HOURS!! i know that some juiced up pro body builders get away with this(Arnold) but has anyone ever herd of anyone natural that can do 4 good sets on 3 different exercises( total of 12 sets one the body part) that can be recovered in 48 to as little as 24 hours??

are the people at my school just particularly bad or are most coaches like this???

 

[spatts]

For the most part I agree...except

A proper squat is mostly hamstring/glute, not quad,

and they

ABSOLUTELY

build explosiveness.

Especially when you train them for speed.

 

[teen1216]

If this is a high school, I understand. Most of the coaches know very little about lifting, though they think they are experts.

 

[Tiervexx]

A proper squat is mostly hamstring/glute, not quad,

and they

ABSOLUTELY

build explosiveness.

Especially when you train them for speed.

i know that squats are very good for explosiveness but dead lifts do very little for it, especially with the way i do them, very heavy weight with slow controlled movements.

 

[Hannibal]

Them not wanting you to deadlift too much is a good idea. Even though their reasoning is BS. If you are training your squat, especilly box squatting, the too much deadlifting will cause your deadlift to plateau. In fact box squatting is one of the best ways to increase your deadlift.

Too much deadlifting on top of squatting will burn you out. Like I said, the coaches are right, even though they misunderstand WHY they are right.

http://elitefts.com/documents/westside-deadlift-training.htm

 

[Doch910]

Were was this coach educated? And if it is a high school coach they dont know as much as they should.

 

[spatts]

As Hannibal said, I can see why they don't want you to, but the reasoning is BS.

And, yes, deads build explosiveness. They strengthen the posterior chain and speed/power are housed there. You don't perform them explosively, but they do contribute to overall speed and strength increase.

 

[Tiervexx]

As Hannibal said, I can see why they don't want you to, but the reasoning is BS.

And, yes, deads build explosiveness. They strengthen the posterior chain and speed/power are housed there. You don't perform them explosively, but they do contribute to overall speed and strength increase.

i don't do deadlifts every week because i already figured out that increasing squats help deadlifts but i did not know that they helped with speed, thats intresting, thank you

 

[Sebass67]

squats help deads....dead help squats?

 

[edgecrusher]

Squats truly are the best exercise of all exercises. However, what most people do not realise, is your body adapts to any and all exercises that you do. Deadlifts provide an excelent alternative for squats, they overload all the extensor muscles of the lower body, while training the lower and upper back. Very similar to squats.

Deadlifts actually prove to be a great tool for younger individuals who are beginning to train. You have to remember, to teach proper form keep the weight later, and utilize a lower rep range.