Stop Recommending Testosterone To Newbies!

[jwo02]

Help members. Dont preach to them.

This is the point I've been trying to get accross, too.


Plus plus plus plus.

 

[Nelson Montana]

Im gonna say 99% of the time a test only cycle is the only option for many newbies because its the easiest thing for them to get at the gym. I cant count the times someone has come to me and told me they were doing a 10 week cycle of test enanthate at 200mgs a week. Gee, bottle is 10 cc's and dose is 200mgs/cc. Wonder where they got the idea to do that?

Its just the easiest thing for them to do and there probably pretty overwhelmed with taking the plunge, with all the media makes it out to be.

Best thing is to just offer some decent advice.

I saw a guy get torn up and preached too a week or so ago because he had some gyno flaring up. Rather than help the guy with what to do, members spent more time ripping him up for not having taken letrozole and all these other compounds that no one here would have ever thought to do themselves unless they had already spent a year on the boards.

I can hear what Hayez is saying all the way.

I kinda miss the days of UltraGainz posting up all those sick twisted cycles. Not that it was a better time. More responsible now, but sometimes the point gets missed. Help members. Dont preach to them.

I don't really get your point bro. Who's preaching? Who isn't helping?

Is posting sick cycles helping? I think a lot of that old EF advice was fucking HORRIBLE.

Nobody here is getting on anyone for doing anything dumb.

I think saving T for future cycles is good advice. Saying that it's good because it's easy to get and the media has them confused may be true but it doesn;t offer helpful advice IMO. I figured we're here to show a better way and that's what the discussion has been about.

 

[galaxy]

I don't really get your point bro. Who's preaching? Who isn't helping?

Is posting sick cycles helping? I think a lot of that old EF advice was fucking HORRIBLE.

Nobody here is getting on anyone for doing anything dumb.

I think saving T for future cycles is good advice. Saying that it's good because it's easy to get and the media has them confused may be true but it doesn;t offer helpful advice IMO. I figured we're here to show a better way and that's what the discussion has been about.

I didnt bother to read the first 18 pages of this thead. Wasnt speaking of you in particular as far as preaching goes. But now that I read the thread title again I would say you do fall into that boat.

I agreed that the old EF wasnt necessarily better, not as bad as its made out tho. And people do get on people for doing dumb things here. Read some of the threads for when I guy says hes getting a tender nipple and doesnt have nolvadex on hand and didnt run arimidex?

And you opinion to not run test for a first cycle is just that. An opinion. Just like its my opinion its a great first cycle at 250mgs a week.

If your saying test should be saved for future cycles thats telling me cause its a great steroid and the others are inferior. Just my opinion tho.

 

[galaxy]

And the hardest recovery I ever had was off of deca. And yes back 15years ago, before discussion boards I did run deca alone

 

[Nelson Montana]

I didnt bother to read the first 18 pages of this thead. Wasnt speaking of you in particular as far as preaching goes. But now that I read the thread title again I would say you do fall into that boat.

I agreed that the old EF wasnt necessarily better, not as bad as its made out tho. And people do get on people for doing dumb things here. Read some of the threads for when I guy says hes getting a tender nipple and doesnt have nolvadex on hand and didnt run arimidex?

And you opinion to not run test for a first cycle is just that. An opinion. Just like its my opinion its a great first cycle at 250mgs a week.

If your saying test should be saved for future cycles thats telling me cause its a great steroid and the others are inferior. Just my opinion tho.

Well, advice is just another word for an opinion.

 

[needtogetaas]

Im gonna say 99% of the time a test only cycle is the only option for many newbies because its the easiest thing for them to get at the gym. I cant count the times someone has come to me and told me they were doing a 10 week cycle of test enanthate at 200mgs a week. Gee, bottle is 10 cc's and dose is 200mgs/cc. Wonder where they got the idea to do that?

Its just the easiest thing for them to do and there probably pretty overwhelmed with taking the plunge, with all the media makes it out to be.

Best thing is to just offer some decent advice.

I saw a guy get torn up and preached too a week or so ago because he had some gyno flaring up. Rather than help the guy with what to do, members spent more time ripping him up for not having taken letrozole and all these other compounds that no one here would have ever thought to do themselves unless they had already spent a year on the boards.

I can hear what Hayez is saying all the way.

I kinda miss the days of UltraGainz posting up all those sick twisted cycles. Not that it was a better time. More responsible now, but sometimes the point gets missed. Help members. Dont preach to them.

I feel you on this last part galaxy. Most people know I have always been about this

Lets not forget nelson makes some good threads like this. I mean look at all the people jumping in the thread. He knows what he is doing when he makes the thread. See all the posts (that's the outcome he was looking for)..

 

[walliwalibus]

Damn, I have been lacking in the reading department. Sorry. Damn, Now I must read this whole thread.

 

[galaxy]

I feel you on this last part galaxy. Most people know I have always been about this

Lets not forget nelson makes some good threads like this. I mean look at all the people jumping in the thread. He knows what he is doing when he makes the thread. See all the posts (that's the outcome he was looking for)..

Oh, I enjoy his threads. They always invoke actual thought and I can appreciate that. He uses smaller doses, likes shorter cycles. I like higher doses and longer cycles. He likes looking fit and I like having 3 times his muscle mass while still being aesthetically pleasing.

 

[needtogetaas]

Oh, I enjoy his threads. They always invoke actual thought and I can appreciate that. He uses smaller doses, likes shorter cycles. I like higher doses and longer cycles. He likes looking fit and I like having 3 times his muscle mass while still being aesthetically pleasing.

AAAAHHHH I love you to galaxy. Ya big lug.

 

[walliwalibus]

But it confuses me. All I got out of this thread is that different people have different opinions. In which, as one poster posted, confuses people on where to start. I thought that is why we are here. I know I came here to get help, but everyone thinks they are right. So who and what does one believe? Or should I say who does one believe? I believe myself that the keeping it simple stupid method is probably the best for a first cycle. Why, because understanding what one is doing to their body would be easier. After you understand and try, ah you can take another step.

Basically it is taking steps. But understanding and learning what you are doing is most important. Which comes from good advise. I feel this thread as many others confuses the new guy or whatever and they believe the first thing they read. That is just human nature..