Steroids.. Training.. Diet... All To Waste If You Dont Have Genetics!!

[satchboogie]

yep..

i have close friend on 5g sustanon per week.
he's average built and has been training for 6 years.

another dude just started training a year ago and has done 2 cycles of 400mg primo/400mg deca and is 220 pounds of lean muscle.

you hear of these dudes get bashed about their heavy cycles..
but in all honesty, some cant grow on less than 1g per week.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

When you say average, what exactly is that?

I'd say 5'9 170 @20-25bf%
You probably mean average as far a bbers, right?

yep..

i have close friend on 5g sustanon per week.
he's average built and has been training for 6 years.

another dude just started training a year ago and has done 2 cycles of 400mg primo/400mg deca and is 220 pounds of lean muscle.

you hear of these dudes get bashed about their heavy cycles..
but in all honesty, some cant grow on less than 1g per week.

 

[satchboogie]

average built means a dude that doesnt look like a bodybuilder, but like one who trains on occasion and stays in shape.

 

[theironclan]

That sucks.

 

[DiamondCutCows]

average built means a dude that doesnt look like a bodybuilder, but like one who trains on occasion and stays in shape.

I know what you mean, I see folks like that a lot. Its hard knowing which are slackers and which to feel bad for.

 

[kbrkbr]

I guess I fall into that category.

When I graduated from high school, I was 6', 128 lbs.

It's taken lots of work for me to just look average. Or slightly above.

How bout that Satch? We actually agree on someting! lol

 

[mrplunkey]

There is definately a genetic wall we all have. Having said that, I believe that 99.9999%+ of the population doesn't have the discipline to train, eat and sleep all the way up to that point.

My theory is that it's like beating wrinkles out of a rug though. Once you've made the most out of your training, diet and sleep -- then consider AAS. As you do a mild cycle, revisit your training, diet and sleep. That's my plan going forward

Taking AAS is really a trivially simple thing to do -- taking AAS in the minimum doses possible to get good gains and dodge as many sides as possible is the real "art" IMO. Hell, we should have board contests on "who can get the most gain from the mildest cycle"!

 

[DiamondCutCows]

Not a bad idea with the mild cycle thing!

There is definately a genetic wall we all have. Having said that, I believe that 99.9999%+ of the population doesn't have the discipline to train, eat and sleep all the way up to that point.

My theory is that it's like beating wrinkles out of a rug though. Once you've made the most out of your training, diet and sleep -- then consider AAS. As you do a mild cycle, revisit your training, diet and sleep. That's my plan going forward

Taking AAS is really a trivially simple thing to do -- taking AAS in the minimum doses possible to get good gains and dodge as many sides as possible is the real "art" IMO. Hell, we should have board contests on "who can get the most gain from the mildest cycle"!

 

[64Pilot]

Definetely satch!!! SOme people just have shitty genetics(small and not toned, cant grow), some people have good genetics for gettting big, som epeople have good genetics for staying cut, and a selct few can eat whatever the fuck they want, lift with moderate intensity, get big, and stay cut 24/7/365

 

[massatronic]

I think your right that if you are ultra skinny and unmuscular, undefined and respond badly to training you will never look like a BB.

But I would not say that good diet and training would be 'wasted' as you can still improve your appearence and ability in relation to your own standards.

To be an elite BB though I'd expect you need to have/take everything to the extreme... diet, training, genetics AND AAS abuse.

From everything from protein intake to AAS we have been told, more is not better, and those who take more... get better.

 

[Mythicalbeing]

I just upped myself in dose to 1g, everything else is normal...I'm looking to make changes this year as I've also added GH. Otherwise I am happy running test at 500mg week.

 

[StRoNg_WoN]

>> lift with moderate intensity, get big, and stay cut 24/7/365

I hate them..

>> some people have good genetics for staying cut

That'd be me... sux kinda... but it's nice that 20min 3xweek of cardio is all that is needed.

 

[psychedout]

yep..

i have close friend on 5g sustanon per week.
he's average built and has been training for 6 years.

another dude just started training a year ago and has done 2 cycles of 400mg primo/400mg deca and is 220 pounds of lean muscle.

you hear of these dudes get bashed about their heavy cycles..
but in all honesty, some cant grow on less than 1g per week.

I actually agree with this statement a lot. I know a fellow who turned 20 last month, and after 4 cycles of reasonable doses, he benches 405x4, squats 405x 6 (deep squats), curls 80 pound dumbells, etc. Most people do not achieve those types of numbers ever.

 

[Ulcasterdropout]

5 grams, God damn. I still haven't passed 500mg EW of T.

 

[Outtlaw]

I definitely believe that genetics can be your greatest gift or your worst curse.... but genetics are not an excuse.

 

[psychedout]

I definitely believe that genetics can be your greatest gift or your worst curse.... but genetics are not an excuse.

Agreed.

 

[landser]

I agree...now everyone can be a freak, but I believe 99.9% of people have the ability to look above average with dedication.

 

[GrandMaster]

yup agree too!
you put your mind into it, dedication, you can change that.
my buddy down the street from me was the same i was a few yer back..his family genetics suk large. but hes huge after about 8yrs? looks like hes juiced, but hes not for all that.
mine suck too! big time!
But i'll never really know till i get to a few more weight additions in the future.
i'll be sure to let u guys know how everything turns out in 4yrs lol

 

[bicepts101]

yeah but i think there are a lot of people out there that just dont give the effort in the gym, and in the book as fair as bodybuilding goes...they think some thing is wrong when everything is wrong...and all they have to do is open their eyes

 

[hairchallengedanimal]

5g?? maybe you should tell him to stop being stupid before he ends up going around and preaching about how steroids destroyed his life

 

[satchboogie]

before talkin about good/bad genetics, one should have at least 1 year of heavy training.

 

[Triple-G]

yeah but i think there are a lot of people out there that just dont give the effort in the gym, and in the book as fair as bodybuilding goes...they think some thing is wrong when everything is wrong...and all they have to do is open their eyes

word. i have been working out for 15 years now, but 10 of them were wasted. everbody at these mainstream gyms is just going through the motions and i was too. only when i learned that you really have to give it all, endure pain, i was really starting to grow. and there is still plenty of room for me to try harder. this is something you just cannot talk about in the forums; actually, i cannot even tell when i am standing besides the guy if he is really working hard. you can only find out yourself. if you don't get this mind-muscle connection, you will never grow.

 

[nsashbl01]

Yea, I have 2x the dedication as anyone I know. I am also one of the smallest! I have always had no problem staying lean, and have had good overall size. I feel that the guys that have to try harder will also keep at it longer. The lazy guys that grow easy also tend to lack long term dedication. Does piss me off when friends pig out on big macs and stay big and vascular!

 

[Mandinka2]

before talkin about good/bad genetics, one should have at least 1 year of heavy training.

Truly heavy training - most do not possess the mental will for that and never will.
I do pretty well but am jealous of the guy who has larger arms and just does cable pushdowns
then again ill cycle once more in late February after being clean for a year.

 

[Makavelli]

Tom Prince had a thread on another board about what it took to be a pro. Very good thread. He said, as most anyone that has been in the game for any length of time knows, that genetics are by far the #1 factor when it comes to building muscle and losing fat.
Case in point, at a gym that I used to manage there was a 20 yr old kid that was flat out the most genetically physically gifted individual I have ever seen, or anyone has seen. This kid could have gone pro and smoked most competitors. I'm not one to exaggerate, but suffice it to say that this kid had what it takes. Full muscle bellies, very balanced, about 5' 10", huge calves, and the most amazing part is that he was white!! (If you take the average African American and compare him to the average white guy you'll see that physically the African Americans will almost always come out on top in a physique comparison.). You get the picture. This kid stops by the desk and complains that he's not getting lean enough for his show. I was helping a few people for the local show and I asked to take a look at him. He pulled up his shirt to reveal a very lean upper body. Then he showed me his legs. Again very lean. I said "I think that you're doing fine". "Yea," he replies, "but I'm getting sick of eating bananas..."! That's right, this genius was eating bananas b/c he saw gorillas eating them on TV and thought that they were ripped, so.... On top of that he was natural. The only thing that he ever took was andro and creatine. Like I said, he was physically gifted, buy mentally boderline retarded. I'm not joking about borderline retarded, I really think he had problems. I made some simple changes to his diet and he went on to win the middles and damn near the over all!

 

[hrlydvdson1]

genetics are for sure priceless......they cant be bought.

 

[Dial_tone]

Genetics doesn't stop people from trying to get better jobs and/or make more money, just because they don't have the born brainpower of Stephen Hawking. Everybody has to make do with what they have, but don't use it as a crutch. I've never bothered to find my IQ because it doesn't matter. If I tested low I might lose motivation and not work hard. If I tested high I might rest on that and not work as hard. I'm going to try to be the best I can be regardless.

 

[Judo Tom]

genetics are for sure priceless......they cant be bought.

not yet...

 

[satchboogie]

he was physically gifted, buy mentally boderline retarded. I'm not joking about borderline retarded, I really think he had problems.

sounds like coleman.

 

[Swole_2112]

I like your attitude, Dial Tone.

 

[Makavelli]

sounds like coleman.

Actually Coleman just can't speak, but he's intelligent. This kid could talk, but you wouldn't want to hear what he said.

 

[Beachbum1546]

i have two friends that are better built that 95% of the gym rats when they dont even work out. i'm talking 17-18" arms and 28+" legs. sub 10% bf. and this is when they dont workout. best genetics i have ever seen. one started working out and about a year into it he was sqautting 500lbs and BP'ing 365. they are african american. now you might why this matters but it seems pretty common to see AA's to be very well built.

it's all in the genes.

 

[gjohnson5]

Genetics doesn't stop people from trying to get better jobs and/or make more money, just because they don't have the born brainpower of Stephen Hawking. Everybody has to make do with what they have, but don't use it as a crutch. I've never bothered to find my IQ because it doesn't matter. If I tested low I might lose motivation and not work hard. If I tested high I might rest on that and not work as hard. I'm going to try to be the best I can be regardless.

Bingo!

 

[Synpax]

I guess at the elite levels that is true- same for endurance training. And the cool thing about endurance training is you can get a measurement of your genetic capability - your VO2Max level.

However, even if you are limited, you can still overcome a lot of it with good diet, workout ethic, smart training, and that other thing we talk about so much on this board....

 

[Makavelli]

Bingo!

Gotta give ya props for the pic of the greatest MC ever..B.I.G.

 

[Judo Tom]

Heart and dedication.. thats what its all about..

if you give 100% and truly dedicate yourself to achieving you wont care that your body has less steroid receptors then someone else.. you will be proud of what you accomplished..

if you sit at home crying that your not as big as the next guy and just figure its genetics you will be disappointed with your gains regardless.

 

[junk]

I guess I fall into that category.

When I graduated from high school, I was 6', 128 lbs.

It's taken lots of work for me to just look average. Or slightly above.

How bout that Satch? We actually agree on someting! lol

Genetic is the number 1 influencer. That doesn't mean one shouldn't do his absolute best to achieve greater personal goals. Yet still, I think most of us here already are in that boat of trying to make the best of it.

People most of the times do not diffrenciate between what I call:
Genetic Buildup - Initial muscular look
to:
Genetic Musuclar Potential - How your body reacts to weight training.
to:
Genetic Muscular Potential to geat - How your body would react to gear.

Sadly, I'm at the situation as kbrkbr. Bad at all of these 3 issues. That's why I train heavier, eat smarter, takes more gear.. Yet I have a friend who grows of 300mg deca, 500mg sust and 35mg dbols..( The guy is tall and weights 235 @12% BF. Not to talk about he's been clean for a whole year yet still is 215lb.. Damn...

 

[satchboogie]

i guess i'm blessed with average genetics.
i cant blow up within a few months, but progress has been steady.

 

[BOOEY]

sounds like coleman.

Favorite Coleman quote: "I think Bodybuilding has come a long way, just like everything else."

Thanks for the insight, Ron

Anyway, if you want the look of a bodybuilder, you'll need fair genetics. Some people's muscles are shaped differently than the norm - these people can never compete no matter how big or lean they get because they will never will be able to acheive that "normal" look. But on the other hand, I don't think anything can stop one from getting as big as they want or as cut as they want. Not even genetics. It just may take longer for some individuals.

 

[gjohnson5]

Gotta give ya props for the pic of the greatest MC ever..B.I.G.

To quote Biggie,
Niggas , grab ya dicks if ya love hip hopa
Bitches , rub ya tittes if ya love big papa

That was the jam back in the day

 

[androjunkie]

yep..

i have close friend on 5g sustanon per week.
he's average built and has been training for 6 years.

another dude just started training a year ago and has done 2 cycles of 400mg primo/400mg deca and is 220 pounds of lean muscle.

you hear of these dudes get bashed about their heavy cycles..
but in all honesty, some cant grow on less than 1g per week.

5 GRAMS!?!?!?!

 

[Makavelli]

To quote Biggie,
Niggas , grab ya dicks if ya love hip hopa
Bitches , rub ya tittes if ya love big papa

That was the jam back in the day

Yeah bro. He had lots of classics. Hypnotize might be the greatest beat and bass of all time along with a sick flow. But Juicy and Unbelievable from Ready To Die are the best flows. They just don't make CD's like that no more.

Rest in Peace BIG and Pac

Don't mean to hijack this thread...

 

[Makavelli]

5 GRAMS!?!?!?!

I have a close friend that used 5 grams a week of various AAS. It was cool as hell to watch the transformation from a normal looking muscular guy to a freak.