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Amen.
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forget a heavy bulking plan
Why should you try and bulk at this point? I think that is a bad idea. Eat a good diet with a lot of protein. You should be able to gain a lot of muscle and get more cut at the same time instead of adding a lot of fat with a bulk cycle. Weight is nothing unless it is lean muscle. I see fat people at the gym all the time who think they are strong just because they are fat.
You shouldnt have to do a drastic bulk then cut cylce unless your juicing or something. 5'11" and 165 is not necessarily small. It depends on how lean you are. I am about that size and when I ask friends to guess my weight they always say something between 180-190lbs because i have muscle and i am cut. You will be supprised how much fat you have to lose. About 2 months ago I was around 175 and I thought i was pretty lean and couldnt possibly loose 10 pounds but add more strength but i did. I Had a good high protein diet.
Its a lot better to be lean and when you are , your muscle stands out a lot more; oh and it impresses the ladies
Have a good diet, take whey protein , and have a good workout cylce and you wont be dissapointed.
Why should you try and bulk at this point? I think that is a bad idea. Eat a good diet with a lot of protein. You should be able to gain a lot of muscle and get more cut at the same time instead of adding a lot of fat with a bulk cycle. Weight is nothing unless it is lean muscle. I see fat people at the gym all the time who think they are strong just because they are fat.
You shouldnt have to do a drastic bulk then cut cylce unless your juicing or something. 5'11" and 165 is not necessarily small. It depends on how lean you are. I am about that size and when I ask friends to guess my weight they always say something between 180-190lbs because i have muscle and i am cut. You will be supprised how much fat you have to lose. About 2 months ago I was around 175 and I thought i was pretty lean and couldnt possibly loose 10 pounds but add more strength but i did. I Had a good high protein diet.
Its a lot better to be lean and when you are , your muscle stands out a lot more; oh and it impresses the ladies
Have a good diet, take whey protein , and have a good workout cylce and you wont be dissapointed.
Re: forget a heavy bulking plan
And don't forget your andro too...lol.
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ant256 said:Why should you try and bulk at this point? I think that is a bad idea. Eat a good diet with a lot of protein. You should be able to gain a lot of muscle and get more cut at the same time instead of adding a lot of fat with a bulk cycle. Weight is nothing unless it is lean muscle. I see fat people at the gym all the time who think they are strong just because they are fat.
You shouldnt have to do a drastic bulk then cut cylce unless your juicing or something. 5'11" and 165 is not necessarily small. It depends on how lean you are. I am about that size and when I ask friends to guess my weight they always say something between 180-190lbs because i have muscle and i am cut. You will be supprised how much fat you have to lose. About 2 months ago I was around 175 and I thought i was pretty lean and couldnt possibly loose 10 pounds but add more strength but i did. I Had a good high protein diet.
Its a lot better to be lean and when you are , your muscle stands out a lot more; oh and it impresses the ladies
Have a good diet, take whey protein , and have a good workout cylce and you wont be dissapointed.
And don't forget your andro too...lol.
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coolcolj
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I'm against bulking myself, because losing fat ain't that easy. Gaining muscle is much easier IMO. You can get to point where no matter how low in cals you go the fat won't come off, but the muscle melts. Whereas with muscle, just change up and train intense enough and the muscle comes on.
Its all about hormonal control with food. Use insulin to gain fat and muscle, use GH to lose fat. Juggle them correctly and you can gain muscle and lose fat together, or if you want gain muscle and maintain fat elevls. But chances are you will get lean, since more muscle = more caloriies burned.
If your fat you can't see the muscle, so how do you know where the muscle is going?
As far as your routine, try it and see how you go. Everyone is different. Only you yourself will know your percentage of fast/slow twitch fibres and how they respond to exercise.
Weight Training is a apprenticeship everyone must go through by themselves.
Its all about hormonal control with food. Use insulin to gain fat and muscle, use GH to lose fat. Juggle them correctly and you can gain muscle and lose fat together, or if you want gain muscle and maintain fat elevls. But chances are you will get lean, since more muscle = more caloriies burned.
If your fat you can't see the muscle, so how do you know where the muscle is going?
As far as your routine, try it and see how you go. Everyone is different. Only you yourself will know your percentage of fast/slow twitch fibres and how they respond to exercise.
Weight Training is a apprenticeship everyone must go through by themselves.
Well here's my bulk diet:
8:00/Whey W/ Milk, Multivitamin, Vitamin C
10:00/ 2 Whole eggs, 4 Egg Whites, Oatmeal, Banana
12:00/ Chicken Breast, Rice, Veggies
1:00/Work
6:00/OFF
6:30/Whey W/ Gatorade
6:45/WO
7:45/Whey W/ Gatorade
8:15/ 2 chicken breasts, rice (Might drop this), Veggies
10:00 / 8 slices of turkey, Milk
If I didn't do that, Cool, what would you recommend?
I know you said look @ your routine and diet (Since our goals are similar), but you do snatches and stuff--I dont know how to do those... Your diet seems pretty complicated too
Losing fat and gaining muscle would be great, so if you have suggestions.. Tell me Otherwise, I start my bulk and this routine on Monday
8:00/Whey W/ Milk, Multivitamin, Vitamin C
10:00/ 2 Whole eggs, 4 Egg Whites, Oatmeal, Banana
12:00/ Chicken Breast, Rice, Veggies
1:00/Work
6:00/OFF
6:30/Whey W/ Gatorade
6:45/WO
7:45/Whey W/ Gatorade
8:15/ 2 chicken breasts, rice (Might drop this), Veggies
10:00 / 8 slices of turkey, Milk
If I didn't do that, Cool, what would you recommend?
I know you said look @ your routine and diet (Since our goals are similar), but you do snatches and stuff--I dont know how to do those... Your diet seems pretty complicated too
Losing fat and gaining muscle would be great, so if you have suggestions.. Tell me
Otherwise, I start my bulk and this routine on Monday
coolcolj
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complictaed? nah its easy
I eat meat, raw nuts and veges at all meals, except at breakfast and after training. At those 2 times I can eat more carbs, I generally pigout out then
every 4 days or so I have a pigout day where I eat lots of carbs and pretty much anything I want, junk food etc all day.
my last meal is at 4 pm
easy
fat goes down, muscle goes up. I don't bother counting calories, proten or carbs either.
I also take a multivitamin at breakfast and after training
a calcium+cofactor tab at the last meal
2 fishoil capsules at every meal, that's about 12 grams a day.
No protein powder either - I think they're a waste of money
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I think your eating way too late at night to be losing fat. I'm in bed by 7 pm, up at 3am. But I do start work at 4:30pm
I think you should just combine your last 2 meals into one
I eat meat, raw nuts and veges at all meals, except at breakfast and after training. At those 2 times I can eat more carbs, I generally pigout out then
every 4 days or so I have a pigout day where I eat lots of carbs and pretty much anything I want, junk food etc all day.
my last meal is at 4 pm
easy
fat goes down, muscle goes up. I don't bother counting calories, proten or carbs either.
I also take a multivitamin at breakfast and after training
a calcium+cofactor tab at the last meal
2 fishoil capsules at every meal, that's about 12 grams a day.
No protein powder either - I think they're a waste of money
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I think your eating way too late at night to be losing fat. I'm in bed by 7 pm, up at 3am. But I do start work at 4:30pm
I think you should just combine your last 2 meals into one
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CoolColJ said:I'm against bulking myself, because losing fat ain't that easy. Gaining muscle is much easier IMO. You can get to point where no matter how low in cals you go the fat won't come off, but the muscle melts. Whereas with muscle, just change up and train intense enough and the muscle comes on.
Its all about hormonal control with food. Use insulin to gain fat and muscle, use GH to lose fat. Juggle them correctly and you can gain muscle and lose fat together, or if you want gain muscle and maintain fat elevls. But chances are you will get lean, since more muscle = more caloriies burned.
If your fat you can't see the muscle, so how do you know where the muscle is going?
No offense intended...but I mostly hear statements like this from "small" guys. I am 16 weeks from stage contest shape...can you be big in 16 weeks?
Muscle is much harder to build than fat is to burn...
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Screwball
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You must be joking. It is much, more difficult to put on lean body mass than it is to lose fat. Building lean muscle mass takes hard work, smart training and TIME. If I set my mind to it I could be ripped in 12-15 weeks by losing 30-40 lbs. of fat and water weight but it would take years to put on that same amount of lean muscle mass (with the exception of steroid use). That is just the way it is...
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