I'm serious. If you see my post about quitting my yuppie gym, you'll realize I'm hardcore. You guys will wack yourelf all e your bodies with pgf2 and run to the toilet, but you don't have the stones to try a little pellet gun? You'll shoot synthol? I only did it once. The hole was about the diameterof a pencil, but scabbed over right away. Next time I'm thinking of doing it under my abdominal fat, so the release will be slowed. Guess you 7% bf guys wo't be able to do that.