Protein Overload

[RickO'Shea]

I've been Rocking about .7g per 2.2lb of body weight since march. I felt great the whole time. So yeah 1.6lbm sounds about right. Now when I did the Katanadrol 6 week shred contest. I dropped even more carbs, and increased my protein to about 1g/2.2lb of bodyweight. I lost about 1-1.5% Body Fat and I went from 189 to 197lbs. I think the 1-2g per lb of bodyweight isn't going to negatively affect your kidneys like most of the guys have said, but I do believe it's completely unnecessary as far as building muscle. It's easier on my wallet and my schedule. I don't have to take as many shakes to fulfill protein requirements which is also a plus. I take two a day. 1 right when I wake up. Like 15-20g and then 1 post workout at like 30g. Everything else is just protein I consume from chicken, tuna, fish, and lean cuts of red meat (very seldomly do I eat red meat).

Roxy, give it a try. I guarantee you you can still build LBM while doing it.

 

[Roxy722]

I've been Rocking about .7g per 2.2lb of body weight since march. I felt great the whole time. So yeah 1.6lbm sounds about right. Now when I did the Katanadrol 6 week shred contest. I dropped even more carbs, and increased my protein to about 1g/2.2lb of bodyweight. I lost about 1-1.5% Body Fat and I went from 189 to 197lbs. I think the 1-2g per lb of bodyweight isn't going to negatively affect your kidneys like most of the guys have said, but I do believe it's completely unnecessary as far as building muscle. It's easier on my wallet and my schedule. I don't have to take as many shakes to fulfill protein requirements which is also a plus. I take two a day. 1 right when I wake up. Like 15-20g and then 1 post workout at like 30g. Everything else is just protein I consume from chicken, tuna, fish, and lean cuts of red meat (very seldomly do I eat red meat).

Roxy, give it a try. I guarantee you you can still build LBM while doing it.

Thanks for your post!! Your 6 week results were awesome! I actually am of similar mindset as you. I have always believed 1g/ lb of body weight is excessive and if it's going to end up in the toilet anyway...why eat that much? My math wasn't quite right (was thinking km to miles, not kg to lbs, hence the 1.6 instead of 2.21 lol). I've tried to keep mine more in the 1g/ lb lbm. I'll have to figure out what that is per lb now.

I've read some of Layne Norton's research that would support what you're saying. He combines science and bodybuilding, which is nice to see once in awhile. He published a paper recently on protein synthesis, which also suggests ideal time between meals is more in the 3-4 hour range.

 

[HarryHarry]

this is REALLY REALLY GOOD! so right now, my diet consists of 4 meals(food), and 3 meals(shakes, my last one is casein before bed)...i guess u would suggest put in 2 more meals, in the place of one of the shakes?

Exactly. The more protein you can get from foods the better. Supplements like protein shakes are there to help finish off a great diet and make it perfect. They are not there to make it for you.

sup·ple·ment
n. 1. Something added to complete a thing, make up for a deficiency, or extend or strengthen the whole.




Harry

 

[RickO'Shea]

Thanks for your post!! Your 6 week results were awesome! I actually am of similar mindset as you. I have always believed 1g/ lb of body weight is excessive and if it's going to end up in the toilet anyway...why eat that much? My math wasn't quite right (was thinking km to miles, not kg to lbs, hence the 1.6 instead of 2.21 lol). I've tried to keep mine more in the 1g/ lb lbm. I'll have to figure out what that is per lb now.

I've read some of Layne Norton's research that would support what you're saying. He combines science and bodybuilding, which is nice to see once in awhile. He published a paper recently on protein synthesis, which also suggests ideal time between meals is more in the 3-4 hour range.

I was used back in 05-06 for a study on optimal protein synthesis in elite athletes while I was playing Volleyball. I had a small piece of tissue taken out of my right quad and different times during the season while on a "normal" low-moderate protein intake. A ton of other athletes were put on high protein diets 1-1.5g per lb for the 6 month study. No difference in the rate of Lean Body mass increase, protein synthesis, and a couple of other things they tested for.

Hey thanks for that! I really didn't think they were that great but many people have said otherwise which has totally surprised me. Very appreciated though. I worked my butt off that's for sure!!!!

 

[at(almost)ANYcost]

PS: Just an addendum... but anything over 2g of protein per lb of body-weight ends up manifesting diarrhea. I should also note that while on cycle, I AM able to assimilate more protein, up to 3g/lb.

 

[KenBraggofCarroltonGA]

Incorrect. This is a old theory, thats been prowed wrong many times. Your body absorbs 97% or so of all the protein you eat, no matter portion size. But you can't manipulate how much of it that ends up in your muscles. Except by damaging muscle cells through training or manipulating your hormones.

Some proteinpowders contains shity additives you don't want or need, which can make your kidneys and liver work overtime. But the protein itself is not a problem.

Not sure if I agree. I have had a few kidney stones and only drink water and tons of it throughout the day. I had been on a very high protein diet for months leading up to the first stone. The doctor noted that it wasnt just the high protein, but it was the high protein that made me highly acidic which built up deposits and if i was to continue I would need raw vegetable to balance give me more of a base intake and even out the acidity. It was my high protein intake combined with no nutritional value rich sources of real raw veges.

I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

 

[RADAR]

since i work in the lab at the local hospital ,heres my take.Kidney stones are bundles of waste products--hard mineral collections of calcium and other materials that grow in the urinary system. Eventually, it crystallizes into a stone that causes severe pain.
Stone Types
The National Kidney Foundation indicates four primary types of kidney stones exist: struvite, calcium-oxalate, cystine and uric acid. Of the four, only uric acid stones are principally caused by excessive consumption of protein.

Uric acid stones develop when urine is especially acidic. This occurs primarily in people who indegest alot of Red meat, you can advoid this by cooking foods more and limit meats products in smaller portions,.Most kidney stones pass through the ureter and out of the body without any medical intervention. Increasing your water intake can help speed up the process. If the kidney stone does not pass on its own, blocks the flow of urine or is very large, surgery may be needed to remove the stone. It is also important to avoid eating too much protein.

Foods to Avoid
If you are prone to kidney stones, avoid eating foods that are high in purines. The foods with the highest concentrations of purine are protein sources including anchovies, sardines, liver, herring, mackerel, scallops, game meats. Other high-purine protein foods include lentils, peas, beans, beef, pork, poultry, fish and seafood.


In addition to lowering your protein intake, drinking more water throughout the course of the day can also help prevent the development of kidney stones. Increasing water intake dilutes your urine and decreases the chances of developing kidney stones. If your body does not properly remove uric acid, your doctor may also prescribe medications that reduce uric acid levels in the blood and urine and help prevent the development of kidney stones.


If you have a protein shake use water instead of milk to mix it!

 

[HarryHarry]

Great post up radar.

Harry

 

[alwayzquikwayout]

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8 meals a day.

8 meals x 20g protein = 160g
2 small natural whey shakes x 20g protein (taken with before and after workout meals) = 40g
1 ceasin protein shake before bed with milk = 35g

Total = 235g protein, 70% roughly from natural foods so natural proteins.

No problems with kidneys only with the food bills lol.

Harry[/quote]



Harryharry,, that looks like a greaat diet plan!!! i've heard also that majority should be from natural foods as opposed to protein shakes! Also heard that doctors refer to calculations made in studies of healthy individuals with "sedentary lifestyles",,, bodybuilders do require more protein, keeping in mind splitting up the intake and getting mostly from natural foods. also goes without sayin keep anitoxidant and water intake on the reg and your gd 2 go.

 

[HarryHarry]

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8 meals a day.

8 meals x 20g protein = 160g
2 small natural whey shakes x 20g protein (taken with before and after workout meals) = 40g
1 ceasin protein shake before bed with milk = 35g

Total = 235g protein, 70% roughly from natural foods so natural proteins.

No problems with kidneys only with the food bills lol.

Harry

Harryharry,, that looks like a greaat diet plan!!! i've heard also that majority should be from natural foods as opposed to protein shakes! Also heard that doctors refer to calculations made in studies of healthy individuals with "sedentary lifestyles",,, bodybuilders do require more protein, keeping in mind splitting up the intake and getting mostly from natural foods. also goes without sayin keep anitoxidant and water intake on the reg and your gd 2 go.[/quote]

Tnx mate. Agree with the "sedentary lifestyles". I belive in evolution and adaptation from the body so I like to think if I give my body more protein than it needs to begin with it wil soon learn to use it and take advantage slowly but surely. Hopefully lol.

Harry