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johny_45

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Hi guys

I am interested in what all you guys have as a post workout shake?

I have some flavourless protein isolate, an have been told to mix it with orange juice ad hve straight after training. what do you think?

Basically interested in new ideas, as i want to mix it up a bit

cheers
 
Post workout for me is normally 60g Whey and 60 - 120g Waxy Maize Starch (depending on what bodypart I do...for example, on leg day or back day I'll bump up the carbs to 120g where as if I'm training a smaller bodypart such as shoulders I'll just have 60g WMS).

I have this about 10 - 15 minutes after training.
Then I'll have an additional meal about 45 minutes - 1hr later which normally consists of chicken, egg whites or some other protein food source with some rice.

If I have the cash, I'll add 10g of Glutamine Peptides, 5g of Creatine and 5g of BCAA.

PWO meals are pretty crucial, but really you just need protein and carbs. I like to get the bulk of my calories first thing in the morning and post workout.
 
i saved my flavorless to mix in my oatmeal for breakfast. i tried all kinds of other things for pwo and didnt like any with the flavorless.
 
cytogainer as soon as i get home from the gym. close to 800 calories.
 
jonny jacked said:
50g protein always.

also add between 80 - 150g - dextrose
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150g?! Not to knock you, but that seems excessive. All we are looking for is the blood sugar spike to drive nutrients and protein into the muscles right? 150 in one sitting will spill over into fat storage. Plus after straight weight training, glycogen levels really aren't that depleted. 60-80g is plenty. But if it works for you, no need to change it I guess.
 
st8grad said:
150g?! Not to knock you, but that seems excessive. All we are looking for is the blood sugar spike to drive nutrients and protein into the muscles right? 150 in one sitting will spill over into fat storage. Plus after straight weight training, glycogen levels really aren't that depleted. 60-80g is plenty. But if it works for you, no need to change it I guess.
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so i guess nobody really does the orange juice plus isolate then?

didnt sound lke something people would do
 
jonny jacked said:
50g protein always.

also add between 80 - 150g - dextrose
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That's got to be one big ass drink. A serving of BIG BLAST has 40 grams of protein( though the protein is far superior and "useable" than anything mentioned) and 22 total grams of carbs, 12 of which are natural sugars and 6 grams of that which is dextrose. And it's pretty sweet! 150 grams of dextrose? You might as well eat a carton of candy bars.
 
cytogainer?

i know i shouldnt read and believe everything i hear especially with advertising. But i did think post work out shaes would consist of pure isolate like say VP2 for example.

isnt cytogainer a bit slower? if so doesntit defeat the purpose of a post workout shake?

if i am wrong , feel free to correct me and i will give it a go....im no expert thats for sure, thats y i come on here for ideas and help
 
150g?! Not to knock you, but that seems excessive. All we are looking for is the blood sugar spike to drive nutrients and protein into the muscles right? 150 in one sitting will spill over into fat storage. Plus after straight weight training, glycogen levels really aren't that depleted. 60-80g is plenty. But if it works for you, no need to change it I guess.
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Yeah, I think 150g Dextrose is a bit much. This is another reason why I've always prefered Waxy Maize Starch for post workout carbs. It's more expensive than both Dextrose and Maltodextrin but has a much higher molecular weight than both, so it passes through the stomach much faster and more efficiently. It's absorbed about 70% faster than dextrose.

Trust me, it's sh*t. You don't get the sugar rush or stomach discomfort you can get with dextrose either.

isnt cytogainer a bit slower? if so doesntit defeat the purpose of a post workout shake?
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I would agree, whey is probably a better choice for post workout. However, I don't think it matters that much, so long as you get some protein in you whether it be in the form of shakes or solid food.
 
Nelson Montana said:
That's got to be one big ass drink. A serving of BIG BLAST has 40 grams of protein( though the protein is far superior and "useable" than anything mentioned) and 22 total grams of carbs, 12 of which are natural sugars and 6 grams of that which is dextrose. And it's pretty sweet! 150 grams of dextrose? You might as well eat a carton of candy bars.
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ok heres a recipe i tried for a while, & it helped tons! Its the old secret from the old time pros...

Whole Milk
Half & Half
Protien (I used banana or strawberry)
3 eggs
and a scoop of yogurt or ice cream

Im sure i will get blasted for the raw eggs, but i was fine, if u dont like that then i thin u can buy a bucket of "safe" egg whites and use them.

This shit was thick! And it actually really wasnt that bad (cant even taste the eggs), just hard to stay stocked on all those ingredients 24/7
 
Cytogainer is the best post workout. has fast acting carbs and protein and lots of cals, without lots of sugar. Take cytogainer than eat a dinner. your set for a few hours
 
bottle of isopure which is 40 grams of carbs and (bash away) a can of soda, or a big cup of kool aid... I will also eat a meal about an hour later of steak or chicken breast with some brown rice and veggies..
 
I've written about the use of half and half and raw eggs. It's great for bulking. I've used raw eggs in shakes and never had a problem but in case there is a problem, it's one you don;t want to have!

I've told a few guys to mix BIG BLAST with half and half and ice cream and they think it's crazy but if you're really underweight you'll fill out fast and it taste friggin amazing. Still, fats post WO are not optimal.

I also said the Isopure was good, but that's zero carbs. I mix the Alpine Punch with 1/4 cranberry juice and that's delicious. But once again, fruit juice doesn;t spike insulin which is what you want (maybe the only time you want it) post workout.

Incidentally, that's actually a good time to take vanadyl sulfate. A dated supplement but it will increase glucose deposit. Anyway, it's cheap as hell and a lot safer than using insulin!
 
BigboyAl said:
Cytogainer is the best post workout. has fast acting carbs and protein and lots of cals, without lots of sugar. Take cytogainer than eat a dinner. your set for a few hours
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what he said :)
 
BigboyAl said:
Cytogainer is the best post workout. has fast acting carbs and protein and lots of cals, without lots of sugar. Take cytogainer than eat a dinner. your set for a few hours
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Yeah, but you'll be full from the cytogainer, therefore you'll eat less food and that defeats the whole purpose. I'd rather have more meat than more sugar.
 
johny_45 said:
cytogainer?


isnt cytogainer a bit slower? if so doesntit defeat the purpose of a post workout shake?

if i am wrong , feel free to correct me and i will give it a go....im no expert thats for sure, thats y i come on here for ideas and help
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Cytogainer is whey protein and Muscle Milk uses the slower release casein protein.
 
Nelson Montana said:
Yeah, but you'll be full from the cytogainer, therefore you'll eat less food and that defeats the whole purpose. I'd rather have more meat than more sugar.
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I just use less water when I mix a shake before I eat, makes it a bit easier.

And Cytogainer has a very low sugar per carb 75 g / 6 g sugar, 54g protein.
Now the post workout creatine drinks are another story.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I've written about the use of half and half and raw eggs. It's great for bulking. I've used raw eggs in shakes and never had a problem but in case there is a problem, it's one you don;t want to have!

I've told a few guys to mix BIG BLAST with half and half and ice cream and they think it's crazy but if you're really underweight you'll fill out fast and it taste friggin amazing. Still, fats post WO are not optimal.
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Arnold made his own shakes with whipping cream or half & half and eggs. I never had the problem putting on weight. Great idea for an ecto!
 
cytogainer doesnt fill me up, im eating within an hour after the shake
 
1500 said:
cytogainer doesnt fill me up, im eating within an hour after the shake
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Ditto .

Brad.
 
8and20 said:
Arnold made his own shakes with whipping cream or half & half and eggs. I never had the problem putting on weight. Great idea for an ecto!
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Is that what you use to shave your legs with?
 
Nelson Montana said:
I've written about the use of half and half and raw eggs. It's great for bulking. I've used raw eggs in shakes and never had a problem but in case there is a problem, it's one you don;t want to have!

I've told a few guys to mix BIG BLAST with half and half and ice cream and they think it's crazy but if you're really underweight you'll fill out fast and it taste friggin amazing. Still, fats post WO are not optimal.

I also said the Isopure was good, but that's zero carbs. I mix the Alpine Punch with 1/4 cranberry juice and that's delicious. But once again, fruit juice doesn;t spike insulin which is what you want (maybe the only time you want it) post workout.
Incidentally, that's actually a good time to take vanadyl sulfate. A dated supplement but it will increase glucose deposit. Anyway, it's cheap as hell and a lot safer than using insulin!
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How does fruit juice not spike insulin? It has a ton of sugar in there and i've been using it pwo but if it doesn't spike insulin i'll drink something else.
 
johny_45 said:
Hi guys

I am interested in what all you guys have as a post workout shake?

I have some flavourless protein isolate, an have been told to mix it with orange juice ad hve straight after training. what do you think?

Basically interested in new ideas, as i want to mix it up a bit

cheers
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waximaize,,,,then some whey isolate in milk
 
alexl2 said:
How does fruit juice not spike insulin? It has a ton of sugar in there and i've been using it pwo but if it doesn't spike insulin i'll drink something else.
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not high enough glycemic index. fructose though a sugar is low to moderate on the glycemic index. there are exceptions such as watermelon as a fruit but never seen watermelon juice. 100 is the standard for glucose.
 
8and20 said:
I use KC masterpiece!
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..."I only use 100mg of Test E /wk and 10 mg of Dbol the rest is all diet,
and my obvious genetic alterations. Superiority over you .....you.....humans."

MOOOOAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

- 8and20
 
56 grams of choc protein powder, 48g protein, 200 cal's
600ml fat free milk, 230 cals, 33 grams sugars, 37grams carbs
1 1/4 cup of rice crispies, 119 cals, 29 grams carbs, GI 82
1/8th cup of ground flax

Mix in shaker cup, let sit for 10min - great stuff
 
johny_45 said:
so i guess nobody really does the orange juice plus isolate then?

didnt sound lke something people would do
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OJ isnt a fast enough acting carb its a bit slower and doesnt spike the blood levels very much either bad carb for post workout
 
halfcenturian said:
..."I only use 1000mg of testosterone enanthate /wk and 100 mg of Dianabol - methandrostenolone - the rest is all diet,
and my obvious genetic alterations. Superiority over you .....you.....humans."

MOOOOAA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA !!! :evil: :evil: :evil:

- halfcenturian
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u forgot a couple of zeros in your elder years :raina:
 
MEGA GAINER (Vanillia) - Dymatize Nutrition

In a Full Serving
600 Cals
60g protien
81g Carbs
5g Fat

Add in some fruit, skim milk, ice, yogurt and shes ready to rock!
 
Thanks guys

i guess i just believed all the gimmicks....that pure isloate was the best...guess i was wrong

might give dymatize a go

and alot of guys said they use milk in the post workout shakes...i thought milk slowed it down

wel thanks again guys...good info as always
 
I'm not so sure what makes Dymatize so good. The main protein is whey concentrate which has the lowest protein percentage of all the proteins. It goes for $5.99 a pound at Protein Factory. It's fine for some extra protein but as a post workout shake it would make sense to use a superior, more absorbable protein source.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I'm not so sure what makes Dymatize so good. The main protein is whey concentrate which has the lowest protein percentage of all the proteins. It goes for $5.99 a pound at Protein Factory. It's fine for some extra protein but as a post workout shake it would make sense to use a superior, more absorbable protein source.
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whey protein absorbs about as fast as protein can. think it is the fastest absorbing protein, thats why its good after workout. then you have a big protein dinner to get the slower acting and more complete proteins in..
 
BigboyAl said:
whey protein absorbs about as fast as protein can. think it is the fastest absorbing protein, thats why its good after workout. then you have a big protein dinner to get the slower acting and more complete proteins in..
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It's not absoption. It's how much is utilized and how much is waste.

No protein is more utilized better than plasma serum. A distant second is hydrolyzed, but it taste terrible. Then comes cross filtered whey and miceller casien, both of which are about 95% actual protein. Whey concentrate is near the bottom -- about 75% useable protein. It's also the cheapest and that's why it's the most widely used in commercial brands. Some companies use it to "stretch" the protein content, while others use it as the main component. They tend to be the cheaper brands.
 
Nelson Montana said:
I've written about the use of half and half and raw eggs. It's great for bulking. I've used raw eggs in shakes and never had a problem but in case there is a problem, it's one you don;t want to have!

I've told a few guys to mix BIG BLAST with half and half and ice cream and they think it's crazy but if you're really underweight you'll fill out fast and it taste friggin amazing. Still, fats post WO are not optimal.

I also said the Isopure was good, but that's zero carbs. I mix the Alpine Punch with 1/4 cranberry juice and that's delicious. But once again, fruit juice doesn;t spike insulin which is what you want (maybe the only time you want it) post workout.

Incidentally, that's actually a good time to take vanadyl sulfate. A dated supplement but it will increase glucose deposit. Anyway, it's cheap as hell and a lot safer than using insulin!
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so wait ive been using isopure and thought it was the best for lean good gains.not bulkin of course.is this now untrue,and whats better nelson
 
I have 15gr of BCAA pre workout and I sip another 15gr during my workout. PWO I have an unamed premixed shake that is basically 40 gr whey hydrosylate, 50 gr malto, and 7gr of BCAA. I mix another 15gr of BCAA into that and I have a solid meal consisting of lean protein and some sort of starchy carb. I am interested in trying the waxy maze.
 
needtogetaas said:
Over 70 recipes in my book coming out.
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Get that bad boy done already!!!

I use 8oz. grape jucie with 6g BCAA, followed up with 140g fresh frozen raspberries 4g BCAA, a little water and put it all in THE MAGIC BULLET.
 
syringemouth said:
Get that bad boy done already!!!

I use 8oz. grape jucie with 6g BCAA, followed up with 140g fresh frozen raspberries 4g BCAA, a little water and put it all in THE MAGIC BULLET.
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man that seems like alot of carbs
 
jon1320 said:
15gr of BCAA... holy hell batman that must taste like sh!t !!
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Actually :jenscat I buy an instantized powder that has BSL flavoring.. It mixes up easily and the taste is really not that bad. 1 tablespoon equals 15 grams and a two pound tub is under 50 bucks. I take 45-60 grams of it a day and two pounds will last me about a month. I am natural and recovery is unbelievable on high doses of bcaa. It should be a staple supp for everyone.
 
Jocephus said:
Actually :jenscat I buy an instantized powder that has BSL flavoring.. It mixes up easily and the taste is really not that bad. 1 tablespoon equals 15 grams and a two pound tub is under 50 bucks. I take 45-60 grams of it a day and two pounds will last me about a month. I am natural and recovery is unbelievable on high doses of bcaa. It should be a staple supp for everyone.
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u must be using trueprotein.com?
 
syringemouth said:
Get that bad boy done already!!!

I use 8oz. grape jucie with 6g BCAA, followed up with 140g fresh frozen raspberries 4g BCAA, a little water and put it all in THE MAGIC BULLET.
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If you drink a lot of shakes and you don't have one. You need to get one. I love this fucking thing.
 
8and20 said:
u must be using trueprotein.com?
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10-4.... I haven't tried anything other than their BCAA, or a BCAA mix. Do you have an opinion on their other products? I see they have waxy maze. I might try to create my own PWO blend.
 
Jocephus said:
10-4.... I haven't tried anything other than their BCAA, or a BCAA mix. Do you have an opinion on their other products? I see they have waxy maze. I might try to create my own PWO blend.
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i havent used anything from them in a few months. i like their prices and customizeable options but their shipping costs are killer. i usually added the creatine, BCAA, extra arginine, & mulitivitamin.

i just make my own creation now.
 
8and20 said:
man that seems like alot of carbs
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No not really. The grape juice has 40g and the raspberries I buy are fresh then I freeze them and then mix them up. The berries only have 30g of carbs in them. Plus they are not the froxen bagged type that have sugar included.

The BCAA's are taken with grape juice as soon as the workout is done and the weights hit the floor.

The shake is about 30-40 minutes later.
 
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