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PLEASE Help me Lose Weight! I am so fricken Fat - Serious Advice Please.
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SirMack said:
Looks like the Body for Life diet is the best bet then.
BTW, is Xenadrine important in the weightloss/diet process? or would you guys recommend against it? I am just curious as I've had folks mentioning it. Thanks.
Xenadrine typically raises your metabolism but will depress your appetite. Many people use it to get ripped or lose weight. However, if I were you, I would go w/ the most natural way as possible. EAS will push their "Beta Lean", which is essentially an similar item to Xenadrine. I am not saying that's bad for you, but in your case, I think you can do w/o them and still be able to arcieve natural and great result.
That's my 0.02.
Good Luck.
SirWanksalot
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try going to a local used book store and getting
Atkins -- New Diet Revolution
----------- Protein Power
----------- Carbohydarte addicts diet
----------- Glycemic Revolution
Sears---- The Zone diet
All five books are either low carbs, moderate carb or low GI carbs
Atkins -- New Diet Revolution
----------- Protein Power
----------- Carbohydarte addicts diet
----------- Glycemic Revolution
Sears---- The Zone diet
All five books are either low carbs, moderate carb or low GI carbs
SirMack said:
SirMack,
Please pardon my bluntness. I think you are worrying too much about little things at this point of you life. You can find opposite views on damn near everything and if you keep zigzaging back and forth, you ain't gonna go NOWHERE.
STOP WONDERING.
Re-focus and go w/ what you have picked out. If you are gonna do BFL, do BFL to the T and FINISH it before you start worry about something else. If you are gonna do Atkins then do Atkins and don't worry about anything else. You can literally read and write till this thread is 50+ pages long and you will still be at square one.
Bottom line: Given your current health situation, pick out a solution and act on it.
Peace.
makedah
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Re: For Makdah and Spectre
I'm not quite sure what you're driving at here. Does your opinion of Atkins relate to something you read at the Mayo Clinic page? I think that lots of sources use the term "weight management" as a way to get people to stop thinking about dropping weight quickly and to think about how they can acheive and maintain healthful habits.
At any rate, I don't see anything wrong with following a healthful eating plan that one can best sustain for the rest of one's life (how else can one do it?) and taking a year (or more) to lose a significant amount of weight. It's not like SirMack is racing to cut for an upcoming contest. Many very overweight people have food issues - it can take a LONG time to change your relationship with food and to get exercise habits to stick.
pryncess said:
I'm not quite sure what you're driving at here. Does your opinion of Atkins relate to something you read at the Mayo Clinic page? I think that lots of sources use the term "weight management" as a way to get people to stop thinking about dropping weight quickly and to think about how they can acheive and maintain healthful habits.
At any rate, I don't see anything wrong with following a healthful eating plan that one can best sustain for the rest of one's life (how else can one do it?) and taking a year (or more) to lose a significant amount of weight. It's not like SirMack is racing to cut for an upcoming contest. Many very overweight people have food issues - it can take a LONG time to change your relationship with food and to get exercise habits to stick.
No not at all--the reference to Atkins was just to prove that even within one post there are so many different opinions. The reference to the suggestions given on the Mayo page was to point out it would result in a very slow weight and that Atkins and other extremely low carb diets would disagree wiht the Mayo page.
I'm NOT against it's suggestions OR healthy eating NOR do I think the slow and steady process is bad, only tedious and quite often--what leads to giving up. In the end I hope he opted for such an eating plan but realize, he is not just upset about his weight and pant size getting bigger, his back problems are pretty intense. A little bit more intense than he explained on his post and in all honesty he is racing--to save himself from a wheelchair. He is only 21. He's not some middle aged someone who's been gradually injuring his back in over the last 20 years and just starting to realize the effects. The fastest way to relieve some of that pressure is to lighten the load on it.
I don't suggest the diet as a way of life, only the first step in the weight loss process. And I may have overlooked it but I don't remember you knocking anyone who suggested CKD or Atkins? CKD is extreme to me and best for those are already in good shape, trying to go from a low to a lower bodyfat. Atkins being a little less extreme and the Mayo (grapefruit) diet, a little less than that. I don't think anyone on this board recommends these diets as a way of life nor would anyone disagree with the healthy suggestions on the Mayo page but that does not mean these diets are not useful tools depending on your body type and goals.
Anyway, all I was trying to say was there are many different methods to loosing weight and each one has an optimal time and place for using. And often times there is more than one method. I can tell you more about countless numbers of diets the good and the bad and that I have been sucessful in helping many people with weight loss (even over a 100lbs) while making sure that they ended up with healthy eating habits similar to that on the Mayo website--I do apologize though, if it felt like a personal attack--I was flaming a bit.
I'm NOT against it's suggestions OR healthy eating NOR do I think the slow and steady process is bad, only tedious and quite often--what leads to giving up. In the end I hope he opted for such an eating plan but realize, he is not just upset about his weight and pant size getting bigger, his back problems are pretty intense. A little bit more intense than he explained on his post and in all honesty he is racing--to save himself from a wheelchair. He is only 21. He's not some middle aged someone who's been gradually injuring his back in over the last 20 years and just starting to realize the effects. The fastest way to relieve some of that pressure is to lighten the load on it.
I don't suggest the diet as a way of life, only the first step in the weight loss process. And I may have overlooked it but I don't remember you knocking anyone who suggested CKD or Atkins? CKD is extreme to me and best for those are already in good shape, trying to go from a low to a lower bodyfat. Atkins being a little less extreme and the Mayo (grapefruit) diet, a little less than that. I don't think anyone on this board recommends these diets as a way of life nor would anyone disagree with the healthy suggestions on the Mayo page but that does not mean these diets are not useful tools depending on your body type and goals.
Anyway, all I was trying to say was there are many different methods to loosing weight and each one has an optimal time and place for using. And often times there is more than one method. I can tell you more about countless numbers of diets the good and the bad and that I have been sucessful in helping many people with weight loss (even over a 100lbs) while making sure that they ended up with healthy eating habits similar to that on the Mayo website--I do apologize though, if it felt like a personal attack--I was flaming a bit.
Hey Pryncess; I think for the most part we agree. Negative 700 seems a little high to me, but everyone is different, especially if he is active. I think my main beef with that diet is only 3 meals and the simple sugars.
It's more important to pick something and stick too it! We need to change our diets like we do our excercises to keep things moving.
CKD or keto is still far more healthy than what his lifestyle has him doing. I wish him the best of luck!
WORK OUT! NOW!
It's more important to pick something and stick too it! We need to change our diets like we do our excercises to keep things moving.
CKD or keto is still far more healthy than what his lifestyle has him doing. I wish him the best of luck!
WORK OUT! NOW!
Yeah I agree with that too--anything better than his current diet would show improvement...better NOT meaning fasting or starving or cutting calories so low he's wrecking his metabolism. His fitness level is fairly low but I also feel by getting rid of some of the weight quickly he will be encouraged to be more active and also exercising will be seem so bad that he will quit. More so I had him focused on lifting alternating every other day and mild bouts of cardio of cardio which would then be stepped up as the weight dropped and Xen gave him a little more energy.
The three meals a day is supposed to break the unhealthy eating patter of grabbing food whenever it's available and within your reach. Some people need that extra guideline to keep their eating in control. Honestly I don't want him snacking on slim jims and string cheese all day long either. I think Body For Life is a good next step--because it does encourage eating more frequently and about where he should be cardio wise with a slightly more intense lifting program. I see people go from healthy weight loss plans to extremes becasuse of plateaus and fear of gaining the weight back. When I coach people I like to take them the other way around so they are working towards a healthy, normal, in moderation eating plan that they can maintain. Plus Body For Life focuses more on eating for muscle growth instead of weight loss which he will need more of in order to keep the healthy weight.
Normally I would say 700 s a bit much but he is big, he's got lot's of leptin and he gets a two day carb up for every 12 days (the more fat you have the less you need to refeed). Besides it is still only 20% below maintenance and that's only if he doesn't add a little cheese here and there or mayonaisse in tuna salad or a glob of salad dressing as opposed to one serving--I think he'll average out around 15% below maintenance. Take into consideration he is not doing the work outs that most of you are-he's working toward an average fitness range.
Thanx for the break though, seriously--the info above is not to sell anyone but only to show (crappy name or not) the same basic principles apply in this diet and do many of the other diets frequently suggested on this site. Oh and the simle sugar thing--the GI index is lowered by the other foods (protein and fat). I'm guessing you are referring to the grapefruit juice being the only thing that's really sugary but the combination of all the foods at one meal results in a very mild rise in sugar as opposed to an insulin spike. Also (AND PLEASE I AM NOT CLAIMING THE GRAPEFRUIT AS SOME MIRACLE DIET AID) the bergomotin and naringenin found in the fruit is enough to counter the sugar it contains--it blocks the action of the enzyme almylase and overall the ability for the body to convert the sugar to storeable calories. This is really a limited effect though--enough to handle the caliories in a grapefruit--and is not intented to support the wives tale that eating a grapefruit at each meal aids weight loss.
I was scared for a while we all might have done more harm than good with our reply's (myself included, behind the scenes). Talk about overload! Thankfully he rose above us on that one.
The three meals a day is supposed to break the unhealthy eating patter of grabbing food whenever it's available and within your reach. Some people need that extra guideline to keep their eating in control. Honestly I don't want him snacking on slim jims and string cheese all day long either. I think Body For Life is a good next step--because it does encourage eating more frequently and about where he should be cardio wise with a slightly more intense lifting program. I see people go from healthy weight loss plans to extremes becasuse of plateaus and fear of gaining the weight back. When I coach people I like to take them the other way around so they are working towards a healthy, normal, in moderation eating plan that they can maintain. Plus Body For Life focuses more on eating for muscle growth instead of weight loss which he will need more of in order to keep the healthy weight.
Normally I would say 700 s a bit much but he is big, he's got lot's of leptin and he gets a two day carb up for every 12 days (the more fat you have the less you need to refeed). Besides it is still only 20% below maintenance and that's only if he doesn't add a little cheese here and there or mayonaisse in tuna salad or a glob of salad dressing as opposed to one serving--I think he'll average out around 15% below maintenance. Take into consideration he is not doing the work outs that most of you are-he's working toward an average fitness range.
Thanx for the break though, seriously--the info above is not to sell anyone but only to show (crappy name or not) the same basic principles apply in this diet and do many of the other diets frequently suggested on this site. Oh and the simle sugar thing--the GI index is lowered by the other foods (protein and fat). I'm guessing you are referring to the grapefruit juice being the only thing that's really sugary but the combination of all the foods at one meal results in a very mild rise in sugar as opposed to an insulin spike. Also (AND PLEASE I AM NOT CLAIMING THE GRAPEFRUIT AS SOME MIRACLE DIET AID) the bergomotin and naringenin found in the fruit is enough to counter the sugar it contains--it blocks the action of the enzyme almylase and overall the ability for the body to convert the sugar to storeable calories. This is really a limited effect though--enough to handle the caliories in a grapefruit--and is not intented to support the wives tale that eating a grapefruit at each meal aids weight loss.
I was scared for a while we all might have done more harm than good with our reply's (myself included, behind the scenes). Talk about overload! Thankfully he rose above us on that one.
Im just like you buddy, i was overweight but was very stocky. On january 14th i was 251 lbs with clothes on. Could prob bench max 200-210lbs. Right now i am 212 lbs. Lost tons of fat and gained a lot of muscle. I am also 5'10. What i would do is go to subway everyday and get a footlong chicken breast with no mayo and eat half of it and then the other half like 3 hours later. If i got hungry again, i just ate somethin healthy. I started liftin weights everyday as well as running as far as i could everyday. Wore tons of clothes when i ran too. sweatshirt with hood and a beany. basically i just had to get motivated. If i wasnt lifting and was concentrating on weight loss im sure i could be 185-190llbs right now. I put on lots of muscle though. I can bench 305 max now. You can do it bro. Just get inspired. Good luck.
