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PCT is becoming ridiculous

Hold on a minute.

THIS IS THE PROBLEM

Too many people are saying that too many products do too many things!!!

Keto burn has nothing to do with recovery of the HPTA.

Formastanazol is an anti e that should be used to control estro while on cycle, not afterward.

Ostarine is suppressive and has no place in PCT as far as Im concerned.

Clomid sucks.

There you go -- your PCT now costs $70.

What Nelson is telling me sounds more like it and what I believe is all you need.

Thank you for clearing up Nelson.
 
I agree there is a lot of pushing going on and that it seems like pct has become complicated (for people that haven't been around for the past few years).

But at the same time I think it is good that there are more options these days and without the pushing I wouldn't know anything about them.

I absolutely understand the business end. Without the engine the train doesn't move. Not even with platinum tracks.

People just have to do their research (as with anything) and decide what is right for them.

What impresses me most is the general impression I get (from posts that aren't obvious advertising) is that all these products WORK. How many companies can you say that about? How many companies only push products that work?

This is just my say. And it is why I am staying.
 
I agree there is a lot of pushing going on and that it seems like pct has become complicated (for people that haven't been around for the past few years).

But at the same time I think it is good that there are more options these days and without the pushing I wouldn't know anything about them.

I absolutely understand the business end. Without the engine the train doesn't move. Not even with platinum tracks.

People just have to do their research (as with anything) and decide what is right for them.

What impresses me most is the general impression I get (from posts that aren't obvious advertising) is that all these products WORK. How many companies can you say that about? How many companies only push products that work?

This is just my say. And it is why I am staying.

I'll agree with this also, I'm sure they work, I haven't taken many of them, but I've seen much of the feedback. I think some of the PCT "protocols" need to be presented as "Must Haves", "Nice to Have", and "Pie in the Sky" type protocols.

This is what I present to management when introducing new infrastructure changes to our IT environment, I approach it the same way really.
 
This is kind of what I'm getting at you can do 10 weeks of test at 500 and EQ at 600 for roughly $180 and PCT will cost you more for 6 weeks.

i haven't even seen you post in the AAS section ever so not sure how suddenly you are complaining about the way things are. i laid out a pct earlier in the thread that costs way less than a cycle. 180 for test and EQ? maybe if its underdosed UG shit gear made in the bathtub. any decent cycle is gonna cost you atleast twice that. and funny you pick two of the cheapest compounds to make your point. 10 weeks is short for EQ anyway.. people typically run it atleast 15 weeks. i remember a couple years back i got pharm grade primo the good shit and with test and a kickstart oral it cost me over a grand.

JMO

and if it feels like products are being pushed on here then that is the reps faults for doing a shitty job. we have sponsors and reps that are hired by the sponsors to educate people on products. if they are pushing shit in peoples faces too much like an annoying person knocking on your door every saturday then they need to learn some simple marketing 101. thats on the reps, not the site. every site has sponsors and every site has reps so you aren't gonna change the world
 
agreed bro post cycle is becoming more expensive than the cycle itself, big business america.. you goto love it lmfao..?!

wait a second.. you are telling me that in a capitalist country where you gotta pay your bills that people would dare to make money? shame on them!

i suppose you coming on here for free and using the site is enough to generate ad revenue to pay for the staff, bandwidth, and all that other stuff that goes into a site.

i always laugh on these forums how guys act like such populists and how money is evil, yet then they bitch about people who take government handouts. if everyone just took money from the government this site wouldn't need sponsors, we could apply as bodybuilders and get all our supps, AAS, ancillaries, gym memberships paid by uncle Sam. maybe you are on to something.

yes its true.. sponsors pay the site money to be here. if it wasn't for the sponsors there would be no site. we would all be going to libraries and reading bodybuilding books from the 70's like i used to do in high school to get information before the internets came along. so instead of crying about that people should thank the sponsors.. buy a product every now and then. thank the reps who work for a couple random bottles of supplements, a lot of reps including me dip into our own pockets every month to buy more supps cause a couple bottles and a bag of protein isn't enough.
 
i haven't even seen you post in the AAS section ever so not sure how suddenly you are complaining about the way things are. i laid out a pct earlier in the thread that costs way less than a cycle. 180 for test and EQ? maybe if its underdosed UG shit gear made in the bathtub. any decent cycle is gonna cost you atleast twice that. and funny you pick two of the cheapest compounds to make your point. 10 weeks is short for EQ anyway.. people typically run it atleast 15 weeks. i remember a couple years back i got pharm grade primo the good shit and with test and a kickstart oral it cost me over a grand.

JMO

and if it feels like products are being pushed on here then that is the reps faults for doing a shitty job. we have sponsors and reps that are hired by the sponsors to educate people on products. if they are pushing shit in peoples faces too much like an annoying person knocking on your door every saturday then they need to learn some simple marketing 101. thats on the reps, not the site. every site has sponsors and every site has reps so you aren't gonna change the world

I think what prompted me to post this was going through my EF App I went through 10 of the most recent "unread" posts in the AAS forum and saw basically the same cut/paste job for what was being recommended as PCT. I don't want to piss anyone off here or step on people toes - I've been here a long time and see this stuff come and go.

You're a good bro, there are a lot of other reps and sponsors that are also good bros. I'm sure it gets tiring trying to answer 50 newbie PCT questions a day (maybe more), but as I also said above I think it could be presented differently - "Must Haves", "Nice to Haves", and "Pie in the Sky" type PCT protocols.

You are also right, i don't post in the AAS section very often. I'm trying to help a little more and offer what knowledge I do have. I had good bro's like GUARDIAN helping me when I first came here and after taking a break from this site I came back and thought I would chime in every now and then over here - there are a lot of people who shouldn't even be running AAS posting questions so the help is certainly needed.
 
^^^^ thanks for those kind words.

I cannot control what other reps do.. i have told reps to post ONE thread that is visible up top on an individual forum.. instead of posting about the same thing 3 straight threads in a row bumped. but i cannot make someone do what i recommend. having said that its not that bad at all if you look at other sites. certain times of the day someone might come in and give that impression cause they are bumping a bunch of threads but that is google related marketing

it seems like its worse than it really is cause its late summer and everyone is at the beach and shit is slow on here
 
I also haven't mentioned any names, I'm not trying to call anyone out and I don't want to be a dick and come off like I'm discrediting him. He seems like a good knowledgable guy and his intentions are to help and I think he does a good job of that as well. As I stated before I just think it could be presented differently, that's all.
 
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I haven't ran a PCT in years, and after reading all these different formulas and protocols I actually get nauseous. Is it really this complex nowadays??
 
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