Please Scroll Down to See Forums Below Sorry guys, PCT back in the day always used to work just fine, now it's HCG, clomid, nolvadex, Forged this, unleashed that, four other supplements and SARMS products? Seriously wtf? It's never been this complicated and I know I'm going to get shit for this but there is a lot of extras being pushed out there.
PCT is becoming ridiculous
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It's not complicated at all. Clomid and Nolva were all they had (which was essentially guesswork) and they didn't work very well and had a bunch of sides.
Then it was discovered that raising free Test while recovering was the best way to go. That's what UNLEASHED did so well. It worked. That's why it's been a best seller for all the years it's been around with sales growing all the time.
POST CYCLE was a natural formulation that addressed the other aspects of PCT -- estro control, liver detox and erectile function. That too worked.
BUT THEN...
Dozens of copies and offshoots of thsoe products came out. (None as effective). Of course there are those who have a vested interest in selling drugs and other products. Not to mention all sorts of theories, revaluations and recommendations.
Ask about a good PCT and you'll get a dozen different suggestions that include dozens of products.
Keep it simple. A little HCG to get a jump start. And then the UNLEASHED/POST-CYCLE combo for 6 weeks. Done. There are other things that help in other ways but PCT is pretty straight ahead. Do that and you can't go wrong.
Then it was discovered that raising free Test while recovering was the best way to go. That's what UNLEASHED did so well. It worked. That's why it's been a best seller for all the years it's been around with sales growing all the time.
POST CYCLE was a natural formulation that addressed the other aspects of PCT -- estro control, liver detox and erectile function. That too worked.
BUT THEN...
Dozens of copies and offshoots of thsoe products came out. (None as effective). Of course there are those who have a vested interest in selling drugs and other products. Not to mention all sorts of theories, revaluations and recommendations.
Ask about a good PCT and you'll get a dozen different suggestions that include dozens of products.
Keep it simple. A little HCG to get a jump start. And then the UNLEASHED/POST-CYCLE combo for 6 weeks. Done. There are other things that help in other ways but PCT is pretty straight ahead. Do that and you can't go wrong.
Thanks Nelson as always you're a wealth of knowledge. It's not me who is confused I think some of the recommendations I see for PCT are way overboard. I'm with you, keep it simple. There is a lot of product pushing going on - good products that all work but I feel it's overboard.
Mad Jasper
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I like the simple PCT but what do you use if HCG is not available?
I used HCGenerate and loved it.
Mad Jasper
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So it is a viable substitute for HCG?
I liked it when I used it and its comparable to HCG so yes a viable substitute.
Mad Jasper
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Cool. Got a bottle on the counter.
pct isn't brain surgery.
you want to accomplish several things during pct. among them
1. speed up your HPTA recovery
2. clean out your lipids
3. stay motivated to workout
4. keep your gains while you are suppressed
hcg mimics LH and boosts T levels.. this is a godsend as esters are clearing your system, if you aren't use hcg then you are missing out .. hcgenerate does the same but also helps with cholesterol, its a great idea in the 2nd half of your cycle as a primer for pct.
then in pct you want to definately take advantage of the natty supps we have available.. phyto-serms, T stack RX are the most pricey but also they have the most bang for your buck (see my sig for banners and codes to save money on them).. and then you have test infusion, unleashed, etc which are cheaper for those with a tighter budget. not sure what there is to complain about.. your options are excellent today. .. stack a low dose SERM with it and that will give your LH and total T a temporary boost but you will feel good thanks to the natty supps.
and then you can use SARM's as a bridge to mantain gains as an option. its not brain surgery like i said..
what people fail at is they run a 15 week cycle.. pct for 4 weeks (not even long enough for their ester to clear in the first place!!) and then bitch that their pct failed or jump back on thinking they are recovered .. seen this happen a hundred times. if you run a 15 week cycle you gotta come off for 15 weeks.. time on=time off or you aren't giving your body a chance to recover .. and for petes sake run bloods!! don't go by how you feel, that means nothing
I'm like you Captain, I am very wary of who i listen to when it comes to pct... I believe in listening to those that CYCLE still, not saying those that cruise or are on HRT aren't knowledgeable, but it always helps to talk to someone who cycles on and off who has tried it all and who has figured out some strategies to help others as well.. the bloodwork doesn't lie!! this is why my PM box is always open to those who need pct help.
you want to accomplish several things during pct. among them
1. speed up your HPTA recovery
2. clean out your lipids
3. stay motivated to workout
4. keep your gains while you are suppressed
hcg mimics LH and boosts T levels.. this is a godsend as esters are clearing your system, if you aren't use hcg then you are missing out .. hcgenerate does the same but also helps with cholesterol, its a great idea in the 2nd half of your cycle as a primer for pct.
then in pct you want to definately take advantage of the natty supps we have available.. phyto-serms, T stack RX are the most pricey but also they have the most bang for your buck (see my sig for banners and codes to save money on them).. and then you have test infusion, unleashed, etc which are cheaper for those with a tighter budget. not sure what there is to complain about.. your options are excellent today. .. stack a low dose SERM with it and that will give your LH and total T a temporary boost but you will feel good thanks to the natty supps.
and then you can use SARM's as a bridge to mantain gains as an option. its not brain surgery like i said..
what people fail at is they run a 15 week cycle.. pct for 4 weeks (not even long enough for their ester to clear in the first place!!) and then bitch that their pct failed or jump back on thinking they are recovered .. seen this happen a hundred times. if you run a 15 week cycle you gotta come off for 15 weeks.. time on=time off or you aren't giving your body a chance to recover .. and for petes sake run bloods!! don't go by how you feel, that means nothing
I'm like you Captain, I am very wary of who i listen to when it comes to pct... I believe in listening to those that CYCLE still, not saying those that cruise or are on HRT aren't knowledgeable, but it always helps to talk to someone who cycles on and off who has tried it all and who has figured out some strategies to help others as well.. the bloodwork doesn't lie!! this is why my PM box is always open to those who need pct help.
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