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PCT is becoming ridiculous

SARMS has its place and can be used to extend a cycle or to begin one for an extra boost. The same can be said about Proviron. It too isn't terribly suppressive. But anything that is even REMOTELY suppressive cannot be considered something to help recovery. It simply does not make any sense.
 
^^^ i have run proviron but not during pct so i don't have any hard evidence but I don't see how something that is a male hormone/androgenic can not suppress you. i wouldn't run proviron at all during pct or bridge.

but SARM's, not all of them are suppressive, this is easily verified through bloodwork which you can easily see for yourself.. obviously LGD is but thats why its recommended to run lgd like you would AAS and then run pct after.
 
^^^ i have run proviron but not during pct so i don't have any hard evidence but I don't see how something that is a male hormone/androgenic can not suppress you. i wouldn't run proviron at all during pct or bridge.

but SARM's, not all of them are suppressive, this is easily verified through bloodwork which you can easily see for yourself.. obviously LGD is but thats why its recommended to run lgd like you would AAS and then run pct after.

Any exogenous intake of androgenm must suppress. That's basic physiology. though it may not be evident, depending on the dosage and duration. It was once thought Proviron wasn't suppressive because subject could take 25 mgs a day for 2 weeks with no signs of suppression but with extended use , it did.

So again, SARMs or ostarine can be used effectively if used correctly but PCT should be all about getting your natural hormonal system operating as optimally as possible on it's own -- not pushing the envelope to see what you can get away with. It's like eating a piece of cake while on a cutting diet. It won't kill you, but it sure ain't gonna help you.
 
I guess that's one thing good about turning 50. You get on TRT, and you don't really have to worry about PCT.

Actually, it's still a good idea to do a PCT when on HRT. Recovery is more than just having enough testosterone.
 
Absolutely Nelson. I mostly said that tongue n cheek. I'll do a cycle of say Tren, Var and TRT. When done ill purchase Unleashed and use that with Sarms and GW 50, for 8 weeks. Just as example.
 
I'll agree that PCT recommendations are getting a little ridiculous. I'll agree with Captain that theres more effective and subtle approaches to selling/rep'n products. Sometimes what happens here is flat out supplement whoring.

Don't get me wrong. Most of these reps are good guys who also have and contribute a wealth of knowledge to this forum. Not only that, many of the 'pushed' products are pretty good and effective. But as Captain said, it could be done differently.

As many of you, I also have Sales experience. First and foremost I try to educate the customer. Then, I'll share some of the options and products out there and what's advantageous about them. At this point, the prospective customer might push for my recommendation. Sure, then I'll give a soft recommendation.

Here at EF, its "This is the only product that will work" or "All of those other products are crap". But mainly with the cycle support and pct products. For some reason it's not done as often with the sarms or research chems. For example, the reps will talk about Osta, S4, Clomid, Aromasin, etc. without pushing a certain brand. Which is good. But you dont see the reps talking about Fadogia and how they need a Fadogia supplement becasue it stimulates LH. No, they'll simply say you have to have HCGenerate because its the only one of it's kind. Well, that's simply not true. There are other supplements out there that have the same key/actives as HCGenerate, Unleashed, Forma Stanzol, DSpark, etc. Theres no reason to worry about people finding out about these other products. I know about other products but I still purchased DSpark and Unleashed recently because it was convenient and I thought the prices were fair. Essentially, it would benefit the forum (especially the newer members) if we discussed important ingredients rather than the brands.

Stevesmi (who by the way is one of EF's MVP's) mentioned the business aspect of this which I fully understand. But this site has shifted in the last few years. Sure, most sites need to sell something or charge a fee to exist and have a quality site. But years ago, many of the boards were primarily sharing information. If anything was being sold, it wasn't that obvious. It seemed that most of the stuff being sold was memberships, newsletter subscriptions, training, anabolic books, etc. There weren't as many supplements being pushed. And it doesn't have to be like this today. There are some boards that sell and rep very little. There are also boards that sell and rep heavily but have competing companies and reps who play nice and simply share the value of there competing or opposing products and the consumer decides.

For the time being, people will continue to post and visit EF (including myself) because EF still has a lot of good information. In spite of the supplement whoring.
 
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