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My weak point?

I've been working out for about 5.5 months now, basically doing bodybuilding workouts (4 days, one body part a week). I started a westside-type routine this week, and worked up to a max single on bench yesterday. 315 went up, but 325 stalled about 4-5" off my chest, after VERY SLIGHT help, the lockout FLEW up. Basically I know my tricep strength is there, but how do I go about determining my weak point? Is it speed, chest strength, lats, shoulders? I'd like to do a competition on December 8 to set a state record in my class (350), but need to know what to work on hardest. Any suggestions? Thanks
 
background info

Oh yes, since I'm new I'll give some background info!

Name - Steve
Weight - 200lb
Age - 19 (Sophmore @ UCONN - computer engineering major)
Time training - Probably about 5 months
Height - 6'1"
Max Deadlift - 425
Max Squat - 405?
Max Bench - 320

I'm not that big physically, but I guess I have pretty good genetics :confused:
 
Re: background info

I'll take a stasb at this :)

Judging by your weight and height I'd say you are stalling where your shoulders are taking over. One option is to work on being explosive at the bottom of the lift so you blast straight through the sticking point. If you learn to use your lats effectively this will help alot.

The other option is to work the weak point using board presses or a power rack with the pins set at the sticking point.

I know this is a bit vague....I hope Benchmonster or someone similar will be able to give more details.

BTW nice lifts consider you've only been lifting 5.5 months.

WelcomeToTheMachine said:
Oh yes, since I'm new I'll give some background info!

Name - Steve
Weight - 200lb
Age - 19 (Sophmore @ UCONN - computer engineering major)
Time training - Probably about 5 months
Height - 6'1"
Max Deadlift - 425
Max Squat - 405?
Max Bench - 320

I'm not that big physically, but I guess I have pretty good genetics :confused:
 
Good post, imnotdutch. I'd like to add that 5 inches can be very misleading, depending on your bench stroke. If you have a wide grip, and 11 inch bench stroke, then 5-6 inches off the chest is tricep territory, IMO. The stronger and faster the tris/lats/shoulders, the better.

Also...where does the bar touch down on your torso? Chest? Sternum? Where is your grip?
 
My grip and stuff

Ok, thanks for the replies so far. If the bar is like this...

O||| ||||||------||||------|||||||| |||O

Where | is the grippy part, mine is about two inches out from the -------- on each side. (23" apart)

The bar touches down about 1 inch below the nipples. My theory is that since I was training for hypertrophy, my reps tended to be with heavy weight ALL THE TIME, and so obviously, low speed. I would usually do like 225 for 8, 245 for 6, 245 for 6, or something like that. I never really worked around the 185-200 range for speed. Could that be the culprit?

Thanks again,

Steve
 
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IMHO, speed is always a factor. Can't be too fast.

LOVE the diagram...too cute. I suppose that's about a medium grip. Pinkies in the "rings" being "wide."

I think ONE of the problems could be your bench technique. It sounds like you are benching "like a bodybuilder," for lack of a better term. That's okay for a bodybuilder who isn't prone to shoulder trouble. If the goals is work the chest, then I can see a need for that form.

BUT

To bench heavy you will need to change your form. You will have greater strength potential AND less cause for injury (less shoulder rotation).

Try benching to your sternum, not your chest. Rather than your elbows going out wide to the side (to work chest) bring them in close to your body. Even for the widest allowable grip (index finger in the ring), the arms don't travel more than about 45 degrees from the body. If you put your arms next to your body, and bend them to 90 degrees, then without changing that position, swing them forward and back at the shoulder....that's the plane you should bench in. Notice the bar would hit about at the xyphoid process, and not just below your nipples.

Another key aspect is keeping the traps squeezed tightly together on the bench (decreases bench stroke and minimizes shoulder rotation). Leg drive is important too. When I get done benching, it's my left hamstring that's screaming at me.
 
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hmm....

Well, luckily I have a bench right next to my computer, and tried this out. I brought it down lower on my chest (to sternum), and noticed how much easier it is to keep the elbows in.

What I don't understand is how to incorporate "leg drive". Is this simply pushing the legs down into the ground? Where should the legs be positioned? The only things I've ever felt after bench in other parts of my body were in the neck and lower back; never in the legs.

Also, which grip is more effective? Wide, medium, or close? I'm guessing this differs based on chest strength vs. tri strength. Thanks for the great input so far!
 
I'll answer these backwards. When we train, we use a variety of grips. Close, med, wide, extrawide, etc...and rotate them during work sets. When we make max effort attempts, unless it's grip specific move (like close grip 5 board) or something like that, we use the grip we can move the most weight with.

Leg drive is hard to explain, even harder to show, but once you feel it, you know it. I think of it like a crowbar, although I think that analogy only makes sense to ME. I use my legs to SMOOSH my upper back (which is pinched together tightly on the bench through the entire movement) into the bench. Then the "return force" is UP/OUT. Like with a crow bar...you push down on one end, but because of the curves and angles in the crow bar, the force goes up. One way to realize your leg drive is to do floor presses with your legs straight out in front of you. You may catch yourself wanting to use your heels, or bring your legs in to get the weight up...it's because the legs DO play a big part in the force behind a strong bench. It's a full body press.

Most of the guys I see keep there legs out and wide when benching. Getting stable footing, and driving into your upper back will help you keep your core tight, and might help alleviate some of that lower back strain you are feeling. Keeping the traps (which extend down to the middle of your back between your shoulder blades) tight will also help stabilize the head and neck.
 
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Even for the widest allowable grip (pinkies in the ring), the arms don't travel more than about 45 degrees from the body.

The widest allowable bench-grip is index fingers on the rings. I know that you know this, Spatts. The correction is purely for the sake of truth and knowledge. :D
 
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