Maximize absorbtion of AndroGel? Apply to scrotum?

[snizsniffer]

What is the best way to maximize absorbtion of AndroGel? I've heard of some additives and also rubbing the gel on the testicles. I have the 50mg packets and would be nice if I could get 50%+ absorbtion instead of the standard 10%.

I just tried rubbing on my testicles and it burns like a mother for a bit, but worth it if i get better absorbtion.

Thanks for your input.

 

[pgalvin]

My Dr. gave me 5 GRAM packs of Androgel. It works if you use like 10 Grams a day and DONT wash it off!!! for at least 6-8 hours. DO NOT PUT IT ON YOUR NUTS!!!!! It will boost your test levels to around 800-1000 and up your free test but oil is better! AGAIN DO NOT PUT IT ON YOUR NUTS! Read the insert it explains in great detail why. Also do get it on your animals, kids, girl make sure it is dry.

 

[snizsniffer]

My Dr. gave me 5 GRAM packs of Androgel. It works if you use like 10 Grams a day and DONT wash it off!!! for at least 6-8 hours. DO NOT PUT IT ON YOUR NUTS!!!!! It will boost your test levels to around 800-1000 and up your free test but oil is better! AGAIN DO NOT PUT IT ON YOUR NUTS! Read the insert it explains in great detail why. Also do get it on your animals, kids, girl make sure it is dry.

It goes into no detail why not to put it on the scrotum on the insert. From what I am researching you absorb way more through the scrotal skin. I have been taking it for about 2 years and my balls have shrunken, hope they come back to normal when i come off. It is prescribed for low test levels, but i thought I'd get a boost in the gym if i could.

 

[Primordial Performance]

You wont get much better than 10% from the Androgel, unless you feel like prepping the skin with sand paper. Scrotal application is OK, but will increase your DHT higher than normal. This may be a good or bad thing depending on your goals.

Androgel uses an old hydro alcohol delivery medium. Far better technology has been developed since them. Frankly, its disappointing to see Androgel still prescribed as topical testosterone… it gives topicals a bad name.

If could find your own test powder, you would combine it with our empty topical solution. Ideally, you could be absorbing 35-40% if you choose this rought, rather than 8-10% with the androgel.

-Pp

 

[Ulter]

See if he will change that to testim. You'll like that better.

 

[snizsniffer]

You wont get much better than 10% from the Androgel, unless you feel like prepping the skin with sand paper. Scrotal application is OK, but will increase your DHT higher than normal. This may be a good or bad thing depending on your goals.

Androgel uses an old hydro alcohol delivery medium. Far better technology has been developed since them. Frankly, its disappointing to see Androgel still prescribed as topical testosterone… it gives topicals a bad name.

If could find your own test powder, you would combine it with our empty topical solution. Ideally, you could be absorbing 35-40% if you choose this rought, rather than 8-10% with the androgel.

-Pp

My goals are to gain lean muscle mass and shred fat. I fell off the wagon last year due to work stress and was drinking, smoking and eating really bad for quite awhile. I am now back in the gym 4 times a week (with cardio) and eating right.

Tell me more about the test powder, I'm sure i can get it and it would be nice to get the 35 - 40%. I think i am going to take a break from the gel for awhile and let my nat levels come back some and just stock up on the gel (maybe powder) for a month or two.

 

[Primordial Performance]

See if he will change that to testim. You'll like that better.

Testim is just another hydroalcoholic topical gel. Same problem here too -- both products are working off an 80's style delivery matrix.

-Pp

 

[Primordial Performance]

My goals are to gain lean muscle mass and shred fat. I fell off the wagon last year due to work stress and was drinking, smoking and eating really bad for quite awhile. I am now back in the gym 4 times a week (with cardio) and eating right.

Tell me more about the test powder, I'm sure i can get it and it would be nice to get the 35 - 40%. I think i am going to take a break from the gel for awhile and let my nat levels come back some and just stock up on the gel (maybe powder) for a month or two.

I cant help ya get the test powder, but if you had a souce you could easily put it into our topical solution to make your own test cream.

-Pp

 

[snizsniffer]

See if he will change that to testim. You'll like that better.

That's funny actually...the first topical i tried was testim. A buddy had some and i tried it. Little results, but unlike some i really liked the smell, felt like i was wearing test cologne. I went to my doc to get my levels tested to see if i could get some testim and to my surprise my levels were like 350. Careful what you wish for. Anyway he prescribed a patch and i requested a topical hoping for testim, but got Androgel instead.

Why is testim better, absorption? If I am gonna get either prescribed, I want to get the most out of it.

Thanks

 

[gautho]

testim and androgel smells good.

 

[snizsniffer]

I cant help ya get the test powder, but if you had a souce you could easily put it into our topical solution to make your own test cream.

-Pp

I have a source for gear, can get pretty much anything. Why not just get some test/deca/eq/tren etc. and inject you ask, well just not my thing. I've tried orals, var and dbol, but too hard on my liver. Gonna try some primo tabs as i've read they only pass the liver once. Anyway, wasn't aware of a test powder, how is the potency measured? I know in liquid Test E would be 250mg/cc, not sure on the powder. I would love to get 150 mg of test a week, or more, if possible from a topical. Let me know what I would ask my source for, just "test powder" or is there another term.

I had a 10 cc vial of aratest i recently got rid of and before i did had though of mixing it with like 10 packets of the gel. Didn't know if the gel would help the aratest absorb. Did know prob not worth the dough.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I have a source for gear, can get pretty much anything. Why not just get some test/deca/eq/tren etc. and inject you ask, well just not my thing. I've tried orals, var and dbol, but too hard on my liver. Gonna try some primo tabs as i've read they only pass the liver once. Anyway, wasn't aware of a test powder, how is the potency measured? I know in liquid Test E would be 250mg/cc, not sure on the powder. I would love to get 150 mg of test a week, or more, if possible from a topical. Let me know what I would ask my source for, just "test powder" or is there another term.

I had a 10 cc vial of aratest i recently got rid of and before i did had though of mixing it with like 10 packets of the gel. Didn't know if the gel would help the aratest absorb. Did know prob not worth the dough.

You need testosterone base powder. Not test prop, not test enanthate, test base.

Its very cheap too.

-Pp

 

[snizsniffer]

You need testosterone base powder. Not test prop, not test enanthate, test base.

Its very cheap too.

-Pp

How many mgs could I absorb using the base powder cream???

 

[ALIN]

What is the best way to maximize absorbtion of AndroGel? I've heard of some additives and also rubbing the gel on the testicles. I have the 50mg packets and would be nice if I could get 50%+ absorbtion instead of the standard 10%.

I just tried rubbing on my testicles and it burns like a mother for a bit, but worth it if i get better absorbtion.

Thanks for your input.

ask for the inject test cyp or enan.

 

[Ulter]

Testim is just another hydroalcoholic topical gel. Same problem here too -- both products are working off an 80's style delivery matrix.

-Pp

I'm a do it yourself guy too. I prefer to make my own tren ace for instance.
But that wasn't my point. My point was that if you're chosing a patch, testim is better than androgel.

 

[heavy_duty]

I have script for it but am going to ask for the pin.
my daughters are still at age where they crawl all over me and I dont need it gettig on them.

 

[Primordial Performance]

I'm a do it yourself guy too. I prefer to make my own tren ace for instance.
But that wasn't my point. My point was that if you're chosing a patch, testim is better than androgel.

Uh... testim is not a patch, and both testim and androgel are practically identical.

-Pp

 

[macrophage69alpha]

injectable is the way to go, ester technology=good

transdermal delivery does work with steroids, in the right matrix quite well, however the dermal effects of these androgens, particularly the DHT derivatives as well as testosterone, can be quite noticeable and unpleasant.

 

[solidspine]

I agree with macro, inject your test,

having said that don't put that junk on your nuts. You will castrate your self.

 

[Primordial Performance]

injectable is the way to go, ester technology=good

transdermal delivery does work with steroids, in the right matrix quite well, however the dermal effects of these androgens, particularly the DHT derivatives as well as testosterone, can be quite noticeable and unpleasant.

What side effects are you talkin about?

-Pp

 

[CO B-man]

I heard if you empty the capsule you get at the roid store mix that with lotion and then rub it on your body that you will get softer skin. No lie either!!

 

[macrophage69alpha]

What side effects are you talkin about?

-Pp

localized androgenic effects in the dermis. Primarily scaling or skin hardening as well as localized hair growth. typically radiating out from site of application. Also as many androgens are irritants or have immune modulating effects, site reactions are a possibility, typically concentration based though there are other factors of delivery system that can mediate or exacerbate this.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

I heard if you empt the capsule you get at the roid store mix that with lotion and then rub it on your body that you will get softer skin. No lie either!!

 

[Primordial Performance]

localized androgenic effects in the dermis. Primarily scaling or skin hardening as well as localized hair growth. typically radiating out from site of application. Also as many androgens are irritants or have immune modulating effects, site reactions are a possibility, typically concentration based though there are other factors of delivery system that can mediate or exacerbate this.

I have a considerable amount of experience with an array of transdermals on hundreds of individuals, and not once have I heard a report of thicker, harder, or hairier skin as a result of using androgens topically. (at least in male users)

I believe the ‘irritant’ (or rash) effects you’re talking about have more to do with the topical carrier being used, and the lack of a sufficient skin stabilizer.

-Pp

 

[macrophage69alpha]

well then you need to start asking the right questions. and selling someone a transdermal is not the same as "working" with them. in which case ulter could say that he has experience with tens of thousands of topical users. That being said he has likely dealt with many more topical users than yourself, no offense.

carrier can be a factor in irritation, but androgens are primary and secondary irritants themselves (mainly through immune modulating effects- though there are other pathways). Carrier is rarely the issue, though it can be an exacerbating factor.


as a note- site related skin hardening, scaling and hair growth are known side effects of androderm and androgel. They try to minimize this and irriation by enforcing rotation (at least with the patch) and that is with a 1% solution/gel.

 

[Ulter]

Uh... testim is not a patch, and both testim and androgel are practically identical.

-Pp

HAHAHAHAHAHA That's pretty funny. I was talking to someone as I was posting about an herbal patch I got from the acupuncture lady and I had patch on the brain. I have testim. I know what it is. Thanks

 

[narshh]

What is the best way to maximize absorbtion of AndroGel? I've heard of some additives and also rubbing the gel on the testicles. I have the 50mg packets and would be nice if I could get 50%+ absorbtion instead of the standard 10%.

I just tried rubbing on my testicles and it burns like a mother for a bit, but worth it if i get better absorbtion.

Thanks for your input.

Holy shit no.

 

[Ulter]

This is good. You're learning a valuable lesson. Know your competition, or in your case adversary, before you enter a competitive market against the people with the number one selling product in their category. They probably didn't just stumble into the number one slot.
I told you, you were making a few mistakes a month ago. Macro is nice enough to tell you a couple before they begin to be apparent by way of user feedback data. That's not what I was going to do. I was just biding my time. You're simply not as smart as you think you are. The other mistakes I see you making are going to shut you down so I guess these exchanges will some day just be a bad memory. Just so the record is straight, YOU took the adversarial position right from day one. Good luck with that.

I have a considerable amount of experience with an array of transdermals on hundreds of individuals, and not once have I heard a report of thicker, harder, or hairier skin as a result of using androgens topically. (at least in male users)

I believe the ‘irritant’ (or rash) effects you’re talking about have more to do with the topical carrier being used, and the lack of a sufficient skin stabilizer.

-Pp

 

[Primordial Performance]

well then you need to start asking the right questions. and selling someone a transdermal is not the same as "working" with them. in which case ulter could say that he has experience with tens of thousands of topical users. That being said he has likely dealt with many more topical users than yourself, no offense.

carrier can be a factor in irritation, but androgens are primary and secondary irritants themselves (mainly through immune modulating effects- though there are other pathways). Carrier is rarely the issue, though it can be an exacerbating factor.


as a note- site related skin hardening, scaling and hair growth are known side effects of androderm and androgel. They try to minimize this and irriation by enforcing rotation (at least with the patch) and that is with a 1% solution/gel.

Macro,

I was referring to past topical products & customers that Ive worked with, not necessarily Dermacrine. Not once in my 5 yrs of topical compounding and [[direct]] customer contact have Ive ever seen or experienced a rash/irritation. (In normal physiological settings)

Steroids are not enemies to the skin. Does the sunlight cholesterol/vitamin D connection ring a bell? Or that the skin a primary site for steroid hormone conversion, metabolism and excretion?

Androderm is a patch, and the negative results seen with patch preparations are about 10x more likely than what you see with hydroalcoholic topical gels like androgel or testim. Still, all of these platforms are using old technology and it’s the lack of skin stabilizers/emollients that is causing the irritation, not the testosterone. When you increase steroid concentration in the solution, (say 5%) irritation goes down. (when using the right topical carrier or course)

Are you needing help in formulating an ATD topical that is rash free?

-Pp

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Steroids are not enemies to the skin. Does the sunlight cholesterol/vitamin D connection ring a bell? Or that the skin a primary site for steroid hormone conversion, metabolism and excretion?

-Pp

once again, you make foolish comparisons. The dermis is never exposed to the kind of androgen concentrations that exist in topicals. Steroids are direct irritants and immune modulators.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

btw- maybe just take a look at the MSDS for steroids, perhaps due a little research on androgens and immune modulation. before you make such statements.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

delivery system can have an impact on irritation as can delivery site, mainly due to dispersion from site or more rapid uptake (vascularity and skin thickness being two factors). eg. scrotal application results with the testosterone patch results in lower irritation rates than arm application.

 

[Primordial Performance]

btw- maybe just take a look at the MSDS for steroids, perhaps due a little research on androgens and immune modulation. before you make such statements.

Ah yes, the bureaucratic safety data sheet. Everything is an irritant in a MSDS.

Im not sure why you keep insisting that steroids are irritants. Topically applied steroids is a universally accepted practice. Very effective, and very safe.

-Pp

 

[KrackerJam]

Goldbond gives me a rash

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Ah yes, the bureaucratic safety data sheet. Everything is an irritate in a MSDS.

Im not sure why you keep insisting that steroids are irritants. Topically applied steroids is a universally accepted practice. Very effective, and very safe.

-Pp

agree and agree. but that does not mean that they are not irritants and immune modulators that can cause rash and allergic reactions at concentration.

you misunderstand the point here, was not saying that TD was inneffective (though androgel is an inneffective platform) nor generally unsafe. Merely that irritation is often due directly to the delivered drug, though not disagreeing that the topical base can be the issue. However that being said, and since you mentioned it, pseven uses the same base with thousands of users, never a single rash or even irritation.

and there is an issue with dermal effects of androgens, its something to be considered. It should not be the deciding factor but one of many.

 

[macrophage69alpha]

Goldbond gives me a rash

 

[needtogetaas]

steroids of any kind can cause skin irritation.it dont matter if you inject them or rub them on your skin.its not how they get in but more how they come out of the body that cause the rash or skin problem though......

 

[CO B-man]

I heard that if you rub KY jelly topically and rigorously on the penis it will have a pleasurable affect. Anyone else hear that or was I lied to?

 

[needtogetaas]

I heard that if you rub KY jelly topically and rigorously on the penis it will have a pleasurable affect. Anyone else hear that or was I lied to?

na bro read the pps on that shit its just going to give you a rash unless you use fifo,dtrm,mml or a dtm.

 

[etenn48]

What is the best way to maximize absorbtion of AndroGel? I've heard of some additives and also rubbing the gel on the testicles. I have the 50mg packets and would be nice if I could get 50%+ absorbtion instead of the standard 10%.

I just tried rubbing on my testicles and it burns like a mother for a bit, but worth it if i get better absorbtion.

Thanks for your input.

Been using androgel for several years and got great results for a while. Unfortunately it will only get you so far in muscle growth. In response to your post I WOULD NEVER put it on my scrotum, period. The burning is the least of the possible complications from choosing that application route. I have applied it to my inner thighs but NEVER close to the scrotum. To achieve a greater boost you have to apply at a minimum 10 grams a day ( thats double the normal dose) 1.62% works better as its more concentrated but again only in higher doses.