MASS - please give me your advice

[cobracock1979]

I do use shakes. If I can find cheap milk protein isolate, I'll throw 6 eggs some veggies and the powder in a blender.

Check the lunch meal. I think I said maybe because I don't do it on a regular basis. Sometimes I do and sometimes I don;t. I'm not the most consistent person when it comes to diet. I don't count calories. I guesstimate based on portion sizes. The days of taking the tuna out of the can and weighing it were over years ago. Also the days of pre cooking meals to control portion sizes are also over. That stuff is for diet nazi's.

Thanks for the insight. Maybe you can enlighten me on the new updated and modern protocols you have been referring to throughout this thread? From what you were sayin I need help improvin my 'outdated' WM+whey iso+glute+BCAA regime?!

So whats your PWO regime?

I think Southernlord asked the same question. From what I can remember he uses a similar method to me.(?)

Thx in advance

 

[gjohnson5]

Thanks for the insight. Maybe you can enlighten me on the new updated and modern protocols you were referring to? From what you were sayin I need help improvin my 'outdated' WM+whey iso+glute+BCAA regime?

So whats your PWO regime?

I don't know if there is a "modern" protocol
ALl I know is that I've spent time on ketosis and starvation forums and the studies these guys come up with are pretty good.

To be honest I wish I had a cookie cutter solition that fits all. I'm just saying that the old insulin spike PWO protocol is just overrated, there simply no evidence that it works any better then eating oats and brown rice PWO.

So to be honest I just eat PWO and it will generally be whole food like NPC has been saying

 

[gjohnson5]

to quote a natural bodybuilder
"There is no magic food"....

 

[cobracock1979]

Define anything?
Does carbs increase protein synthesis PWO... There's no evidence of this
Do you NEED to swallow High GI carbs PWO... There's no evidence of that either....



What does humalog injections have to do with natural insulin secretions through diet?
Absolutely nothing because the active time, half life and levels per ml of blood would be totally different
Not to mention the regulation system is totally different as well



That's anecdotal. Show evidence on a sample of people that what you say is true...



The world is already adapting to scientific evidence. It's YOUR problem (yes problem) that you haven't adjusted yet. Not anyone else's



Please read above.




There are many that don't...



Yep I agree with NPC that you need to grow up. Don't blame me that you're still running with around with 8 year old myths. Get educated with new information about diet and training

Well OK,

Thanks for being candid.

Ill endeavour to 'grow up' get educated with this 'new info about diet and training' you refer to above - Its just a shame you yourself admit to not knowing what that info is. Do you intend to 'Get educated with new information about diet and training' at any point in the near future? May be an idea if you are telling others to do it...then you can enlighten us...

Im half tempted to follow your example and just "eat" PWO, but...nah...thats one tidbid of info I wont be throwing in the melting pot! LOL jk

Oh well, you can be sure Ill keep searching for a better way, and if I discover the answer... Ill let you know ..

 

[gjohnson5]

Well OK,

Thanks for being candid.

Ill endeavour to 'grow up' get educated with this 'new info about diet and training' you refer to above - Its just a shame you yourself admit to not knowing what that info is. Do you intend to 'Get educated with new information about diet and training' at any point in the near future? May be an idea if you are telling others to do it...

Im half tempted to follow your example and just "eat" PWO, but...nah...thats one tidbid of info I wont be throwing in the melting pot! LOL jk

Oh well, you can be sure Ill keep searching for a better way, and if I discover the answer... Ill let you know ..

I'll repeat for the 10th time
The new information is
1. Insulin spikes DO NOT increase protein synthesis
2. High GI card DO NOT make you fat
3. Sugars PWO are not needed

I'm just curious when I did not make that clear?

 

[cobracock1979]

I'll repeat for the 10th time
The new information is
1. Insulin spikes DO NOT increase protein synthesis
2. High GI card DO NOT make you fat
3. Sugars PWO are not needed

I'm just curious when I did not make that clear?

Maybe I misunderstood -

You appeared in all your posts to be saying something slightly different -

1. There is no evidence to suggest Insulin spikes increase protein synthesis
2. There is no evidence to suggest High GI card make you fat
3. There is no evidence to suggest sugars are needed PWO


Did I misunderstand?

If so, Ill look forward to you providing definitive studies proving that Insulin spikes DO NOT increase protein synthesis, High GI carbs DO NOT make you fat and Sugars PWO are not needed.

 

[gjohnson5]

Maybe I misunderstood -

You appeared in all your posts to be saying something slightly different -

1. There is no evidence to suggest Insulin spikes increase protein synthesis
2. There is no evidence to suggest High GI card make you fat
3. There is no evidence to suggest sugars are needed PWO


Did I misunderstand?

If so, Ill look forward to you providing definitive studies proving that Insulin spikes DO NOT increase protein synthesis, High GI carbs DO NOT make you fat and Sugars PWO are not needed.

I already did...
Reread the studies please

 

[NPC-OHIO]

I already did...
Reread the studies please

look what I started. Hey it doesn't flippn matter
If it works why change? Drink waxy n whey. I've told
You I did it. I still have a jug of krazy karb. I just
Wanted to try all methods. So far I've looked the best
Recovered the fastest on whole foods. Bananas oats
And the said rice cakes are the best. These rice cakes
Are so good I could eat a case. Choc chip on
Caramel. So good.

 

[dabuffguy]

Both of you, take the debate to a new thread. For real.






Everyone here happened to fail to notice, due to your debating, that he eatings NOTHING between 9AM and 1PM!




NPC-OHIO, you need some food between breakfast and lunch bro. It is not okay to go 4 hours without eating if you are trying to put on mass. At the very least get a ready-to-drink shake to down in between. Something with some good protein(30gm +), healthy fats, vits and mins, and moderately low in carbs.



I do have to add in my $.02

Rice cakes for PWO nutrition is doo-doo. End of story.

 

[cobracock1979]

Both of you, take the debate to a new thread. For real.






Everyone here happened to fail to notice, due to your debating, that he eatings NOTHING between 9AM and 1PM!




NPC-OHIO, you need some food between breakfast and lunch bro. It is not okay to go 4 hours without eating if you are trying to put on mass. At the very least get a ready-to-drink shake to down in between. Something with some good protein(30gm +), healthy fats, vits and mins, and moderately low in carbs.



I do have to add in my $.02

Rice cakes for PWO nutrition is doo-doo. End of story.

Some interesting points from Johnson - I will take another look at the studies posted.

If he's right, most people on this forum are wating their time and money with current insulin focused PWO regimes. I cant think of anyone on EF (apart from the people in this thread) who eat whole foods PWO.

Dabuff - Onebreath mentioned that he is not eating between 9 and 1 earlier in the thread.

Oh - and I said rice cakes were no good PWO - which is exactly where this little debate started....

Dabuff, what do you do PWO?