MASS - please give me your advice

[cobracock1979]

I guess the better question is what's wrong with it??
As I posted, there is no evidence that the use of high dose high GI carbs induces a protein synthesis response any better then other diet regimes...




Once again why switch from what he is currently doing if there is no proof whatsoever that what he is currently doing for PWO is bad or wrong???




There are several other studies which say the same thing I just posted. Unfortunately what we believed in 2002,2003 about diet and training is probably wrong. At one point we believe the earth was flat. People just need to learn what is really factual and adjust



Then post evidence that your way is better...
Unfortunately too many people read advertisements in magazines and online sites and just assume what the supplement companies are telling them is correct. What you need to understand that alot of this is profit driven. What many of those people are saying has nothing to do with bodybuilding science or testing methodologies at all

LOL,

All ur really sayin is there is no eveidence for ANYTHIN an playin Devils advocate.

OK fine. I know bro's who have done insulin only cycles - I can assure you, that had major effects on the levels of protein synthesis (and fat in excessiv elevels) over very short periods.

I can also tell you since using the WM combo PWO, I have seen great improvements in LBM. Ans I stay lean.

Johnson, unfortunately the world wont stand still because you cannot find decisive studies proving one way or the other.

I thin we all know insulin plays a major part in bodybuilding. I think we also know a lotta the top bro's on here follow a diet similar to my own.

Id be interested to know what your diet looks like - if in fact you dare eat at all

 

[NPC-OHIO]

LOL,

All ur really sayin is there is no eveidence for ANYTHIN an playin Devils advocate.

OK fine. I know bro's who have done insulin only cycles - I can assure you, that had major effects on the levels of protein synthesis (and fat in excessiv elevels) over very short periods.

I can also tell you since using the WM combo PWO, I have seen great improvements in LBM. Ans I stay lean.

Johnson, unfortunately the world wont stand still because you cannot find decisive studies proving one way or the other.

I thin we all know insulin plays a major part in bodybuilding. I think we also know a lotta the top bro's on here follow a diet similar to my own.

Id be interested to know what your diet looks like - if in fact you dare eat at all

You need to grow up my firiend, Fact is many have different principles. Just because someone doesn't agree with your, so what??? Relax, you do what you want, no one is gonna take your Waxy aaxy ......relax. Damn.

 

[NPC-OHIO]

Post Workout Shake and Fat Loss

there

http://user210805.websitewizard.com/files/unprotected/AARR-Jan-2008.pdf

 

[gjohnson5]

We've managed to totally get sidetracked.....MY QUESTION IS DO YOU FEEL THE MACROS AND OR CALS ARE TOO MUCH TOO LATE???? THAT IS MY QUESTION.

My maint. is 3100. I want to start lower, so forget the cals at this points. Just the overall cals. His theory is it's ok because I train until 6;30, but I go to bed at 10ish then wake up to eat aand piss.... so can I get some assistance there.

Who ever "His Theory" is referring to, I would say he is correct.
Once again , its about calories and workout time. If you workour later , then eating later should be ok.

High HI foods have no relevance on body composition anyway. It's the calories that will. As long as you are burning calories through activity, the timing shouldn't matter. If you choose to eat around the time of the workout , then that's probably smart. You're 6'2 and weight about as much as I do (I'm 5'9) so I think you can up calories and you'll be fine.
I would say you should do some cardio however since you are 10% and trying to compete

 

[cobracock1979]

You need to grow up my firiend, Fact is many have different principles. Just because someone doesn't agree with your, so what??? Relax, you do what you want, no one is gonna take your Waxy aaxy ......relax. Damn.

LOL,

Im relaxed - just lookin for answers like everyone else. if there's a better alternative you can be damn sure ill be droppin the Waxy like a hot brick..

Johnson is extremely knowledgable on the subject, just not always very helpul in giving the best advice ha can from the knowledge he has accumulated IMO. Hows it on that fence bro?

I think WRT to the diet you posted, those are the macro's for the person who gave you the diet. I would assume he was either cutting or considerably smaller than than you. Common sense would suggest an adjustment

I think your makin a lotta what you say up bro, we shall see...keep talkin

Anyway, Good luck, ill be watchin this thread with interest.

 

[OneBreath]

You're a funny dude. Looks like I got under your skin. i know my maintence yet that still was not my question. It was more of a streamline of the timing of day. I still think you need to get up-to-date with the whole post-workout timing, gi -index, insulin response, and stop believing what you read in mags. FYI - most top not pros do NOT take shakes, period. I've training and brainstormed with two of them, Cutler and Dillette, both believe shake are SUPPLEMENTS, and should not be a part of everyday diet. They just aren't as nutrioicus. Period. Plus, they bloat, the make you look flat, and personally, I am more satisifed with whole foods. I guess that's why I stay under 8%. This isn't what this thread is for. If you want to talk more, I'd be happy to email or pm. Boards don't need flaming right now. Thanks

The cookie, BTW- is prob. more nutricious than any supp. you take including casein. It's 100% orgainc all natural ingredients. Now the 70g of carbs that late may be another issue.

Cobra, please give up, this dude trains and brainstorms with Jay Cutler. He's simply WAY above your social and intellectual status.

Even though he thinks a cookie is more nutriciousiosity and organnious than casein, he's obviously a master of rocket scientry.

 

[cobracock1979]

Cobra, please give up, this dude trains and brainstorms with Jay Cutler. He's simply WAY above your social and intellectual status.

Even though he thinks a cookie is more nutriciousiosity and organnious than casein, he's obviously a master of rocket scientry.

Maybe intellectually above me.. but socially...nah. Im a fuc*in God!

Wonder how much Broccoli he can eat...probably a lot

 

[OneBreath]

Maybe intellectually above me.. but socially...nah. Im a fuc*in God!

Wonder how much Broccoli he can eat...probably a lot

lol, i just fixed my tub of broccoli. 4 cups today. And its organic! Just like my shoes.

 

[cobracock1979]

LOL,

Im gonna eat Broccoli PWO from now on.

Seriously, your brocolli thread has got me obsessed with...well, Brocolli...

 

[OneBreath]

LOL,

Im gonna eat Broccoli PWO from now on.

Seriously, your brocolli thread has got me obsessed with...well, Brocolli...

I swear it helps in keeping fat in check when eating over maintenance. I had to move this weekend and in addition to eating like shit, i didn't have my broccoli. I felt like a bloated mess. Now with just 2 cups down i'm feeling back on track.