MASS - please give me your advice

[gjohnson5]

Johnson - I dont have any issues with people having other ideas. I simply stated what I did PWO. If you read this thread and the other one, im clearly open to other ways - your the only one who thinks im any different. It is you who is intent on being the only one with a valid opinion.

Just grow up man

Yes you do. I don't need to reread the thread. It's YOU who need to reread your responses and edit like pronto before I show your inability to grasp concepts or inability to accept other ideas

Whatever... Waste of time

 

[cobracock1979]

LOL,

Be my guest.

 

[cobracock1979]

Sigh:
Effects of ingesting protein with various forms of...[J Int Soc Sports Nutr. 2007] - PubMed Result

Effects of ingesting protein with various forms of carbohydrate following resistance-exercise on substrate availability and markers of anabolism, catabolism, and immunity.
Kreider RB, Earnest CP, Lundberg J, Rasmussen C, Greenwood M, Cowan P, Almada AL.

Exercise & Sport Nutrition Lab, Center for Exercise, Nutrition and Preventive Health, Baylor University, Waco, TX, USA. [email protected].

ABSTRACT: BACKGROUND: Ingestion of carbohydrate (CHO) and protein (PRO) following intense exercise has been reported to increase insulin levels, optimize glycogen resynthesis, enhance PRO synthesis, and lessen the immuno-suppressive effects of intense exercise. Since different forms of CHO have varying glycemic effects, the purpose of this study was to determine whether the type of CHO ingested with PRO following resistance-exercise affects blood glucose availability and insulin levels, markers of anabolism and catabolism, and/or general immune markers. METHODS: 40 resistance-trained subjects performed a standardized resistance training workout and then ingested in a double blind and randomized manner 40 g of whey PRO with 120 g of sucrose (S), honey powder (H), or maltodextrin (M). A non-supplemented control group (C) was also evaluated. Blood samples were collected prior to and following exercise as well as 30, 60, 90, and 120 min after ingestion of the supplements. Data were analyzed by repeated measures ANOVA or ANCOVA using baseline values as a covariate if necessary. RESULTS: Glucose concentration 30 min following ingestion showed the H group (7.12 +/- 0.2 mmol/L) to be greater than S (5.53 +/- 0.6 mmol/L; p < 0.03); M (6.02 +/- 0.8 mmol/L; p < 0.05), and C (5.44 +/- 0.18 mmol/L; p < 0.0002) groups. No significant differences were observed among groups in glucose area under the curve (AUC) values, although the H group showed a trend versus control (p = 0.06). Insulin response for each treatment was significant by time (p < 0.0001), treatment (p < 0.0001) and AUC (p < 0.0001). 30-min peak post-feeding insulin for S (136.2 +/- 15.6 uIU/mL), H (150.1 +/- 25.39 uIU/mL), and M (154.8 +/- 18.9 uIU/mL) were greater than C (8.7 +/- 2.9 uIU/mL) as was AUC with no significant differences observed among types of CHO. No significant group x time effects were observed among groups in testosterone, cortisol, the ratio of testosterone to cortisol, muscle and liver enzymes, or general markers of immunity. CONCLUSION: CHO and PRO ingestion following exercise significantly influences glucose and insulin concentrations. Although some trends were observed suggesting that H maintained blood glucose levels to a better degree, no significant differences were observed among types of CHO ingested on insulin levels. These findings suggest that each of these forms of CHO can serve as effective sources of CHO to ingest with PRO in and attempt to promote post-exercise anabolic responses
If you wish to raise your insulin levels with a PWO drink fine...
Will it affect testosterone and cortisol levels PWO.... Probably not as this states

The only affect drinking excessive carbs PWO will do is increase insulin levels , which would have a negative effect on burning fat PWO.
Will it lead to more increased protein sythesis??? This study seems to indicate that it has no effect on some hormone levels.

Once again , the answer is carbohydrates sources probably won't play a major role in post workout anabolism if adequate proteins are present.


There are lots more

Again - interesting study. Once again, this in no way proves that insulin spikes do not increase protein synthesis. This study was to see whether different forms of CHO had different effects on insulin and glucose levels.

You cannot use glucose levels in this study as a direct indication of whether anabolic reactios are taking place -its only a marker as stated. You physically need to measue amino levels as it the first study you posted.

I have a first class chemistry degree - I really dont have troble interpreting the results of these studies like you keep saying. Although this is not my area of expertise so I am treading carefully.

Agreed, insulin will have anti fat burning qualiities.

Listen, I have have seen stuff new I didnt know from some of your threads, so I genuinly am not tryin to pick a fight. However, YOU are the one who claimed to be able to DEFINATIVELY prove that an insulin spike PWO has no positive effect on protein synthesis, so the impetus is on you to prove that.

I think thats fair enough.

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[dabuffguy]

Waddya mean for ME to grow up
1. cobra is running around testifying to people with ideas that have been debunked years ago and getting pejorative against other who this differently
2. npc is clearly an alter and telling lies behind a fake identity

I uncover both and you TELL ME to grow up???

I could get pejorative here as well, but I'll pass

Maybe find another thread to post on.

NPC-OHIO, on his "introduction" thread a few weeks back somewhere told us who he was. He denied it to screw with you.

You've uncovered and proved nothing nothing.


Anyways, I said 'grow up' for "redding" him. Pathetic how you red people somtimes guy, and publicly announce it too to show others your "best plan of action" is to give a worthelss "red K".

People can't tell you shit and you're stubborn as hell, you know?

 

[gjohnson5]

NPC-OHIO, on his "introduction" thread a few weeks back somewhere told us who he was. He denied it to screw with you.

You've uncovered and proved nothing nothing.


Anyways, I said 'grow up' for "redding" him. Pathetic how you red people somtimes guy, and publicly announce it too to show others your "best plan of action" is to give a worthelss "red K".

People can't tell you shit and you're stubborn as hell, you know?

Well I just redded you
Hope you liked it

I proved nothing nothing???
Why not learn English first before trying to rip people

 

[dabuffguy]

Well I just redded you
Hope you liked it

I like the color.


I proved nothing nothing???
Why not learn English first before trying to rip people

Again, grow up. You interact with people like a 7th grader.