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Yes, I'm still around and I'm still oblivious to the destruction I cause
. Good to see you back, killah.. I will get this log going in 3-4 weeks; that's when I start my 12 week pre-comp regimen, which should be duly noted..
gjohnson5
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This is the issue that I'm having. Most of the science on ribose indicates that ribose is not necessarily a good stack for creatine simply because the liver converts ribose to glucose at a high rate. Consequently studies done on ribose show no real gain when stacking creatine over glucose or most any other carb.
Did you try stacking the creatine with other carbohydrate sources?
ATP (adenosine triphosphate) is the chemical compound which provides the energy to power muscle cell (actin-myosin fibers) contraction. A single ATP molecule contains an amino acid base (adenosine), a sugar (ribose) and three phosphate groups.
The chemical energy of the ATP molecule is stored in the phosphate groups, and when these high energy phosphate bonds are cleaved or broken during the processes of cellular metabolism, the energy is then available for muscle contraction and other vital cellular functions.
However the cellular storage capacity for ATP is limited, and at maximum work levels ATP stored in the muscle is depleted within several seconds. To sustain physical activity, the cell must continually resynthesize ATP.
I use ribose pre-workout "only" just to raise ATP for better workouts because during strenuous workouts ATP is oxidized back to ADP, the ribose will combat oxidation to a degree and resynthesize some of the ATP, which is ideal to keep muscles from bogging down.
Your body converts creatine into creatine phosphate or phosphocreatine and stores it in your muscles. Again, during vigorous exercise ATP is going to be used up quick and be reduced back to ADP. I prefer to use creatine phosphate over monohydrate because of the reasons mentioned above. Creatine Phosphate will buy your muscles a little more time during workouts before ATP is reduced back to ADP.
During workouts it is inevitable that ATP will be reduced back to ADP, that's why I always say supplement correctly and train moderately fast before ATP is totally smashed, and it eventually will, it is a biological certainty. Creatine Phosphate will resynthesize ATP during that crucial time (during workout), which is ideal.
As for using simple carbs. The only time I recommend using them is PWO because glucose levels are low. However, it is a juggling act when using simple carbs PWO, because that is the time when you are most susceptible to storing fat, that is something you will have to find out how utilize correctly through trial and error.
I use 10 IUs of Humulin R PWO. Therefore, I can play around a little more with simple carbs.
PWO Protocol:
1) 10 IUs Humulin R
2) 80 grm Dextrose
3) 10 grm Creatine Phosphate
4) 10 Glute
5) BCAAs during workout
6) 50 grams of whey
HR - is active in about 30 minutes, peaks at the 2 hour mark, and clears the system at the 4 hour mark. Therefore, I inject the HR as soon as I'm done training then drink my above PWO drink right after injecting. 1 hr later I eat a couple chicken breasts or fish with some complex carbs, then 2 hours later I eat chicken or fish with some more complex carbs; by that time the slin has cleared.
I literally gained 12 lbs of clean weight when I inserted slin into regimen within a month while dieting. That's right, I gained 12 lbs of clean weight and lost 3% BF once I inserted slin within a month...
^^^ I need to catch some fish this weekend bro.
i have been running the regimen you put me on but not consistently.. I'm gonna start doing it consistent though now. but I need to catch some fish cause I'm sick of chicken. (got hit with food poisoning from chicken last week, can't buy anything from the store these days with confidence)
i have been running the regimen you put me on but not consistently.. I'm gonna start doing it consistent though now. but I need to catch some fish cause I'm sick of chicken. (got hit with food poisoning from chicken last week, can't buy anything from the store these days with confidence)
gjohnson5
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OK , so you're not concerned with the creatine , ribose stack. The problem for me is still the same. What ribose does via infusion is not necessarily what will happen when ribose is taken orally. This is the issue with assuming ribose will increase ATP....
No effects of oral ribose supplementation on repeated maximal exercise and de novo ATP resynthesis
A double-blind randomized study was performed to evaluate the effect of oral ribose supplementation on repeated maximal exercise and ATP recovery after intermittent maximal muscle contractions. Muscle power output was measured during dynamic knee extensions with the right leg on an isokinetic dynamometer before (pretest) and after (posttest) a 6-day training period in conjunction with ribose (R, 4 doses/day at 4 g/dose, n = 10) or placebo (P, n = 9) intake. The exercise protocol consisted of two bouts (A and B) of maximal contractions, separated by 15 s of rest. Bouts A andB consisted of 15 series of 12 contractions each, separated by a 60-min rest period. During the training period, the subjects performed the same exercise protocol twice per day, with 3–5 h of rest between exercise sessions. Blood samples were collected before and after bouts A and B and 24 h afterbout B. Knee-extension power outputs were ∼10% higher in the posttest than in the pretest but were similar between P and R for all contraction series. The exercise increased blood lactate and plasma ammonia concentrations (P < 0.05), with no significant differences between P and R at any time. After a 6-wk washout period, in a subgroup of subjects (n = 8), needle-biopsy samples were taken from the vastus lateralis before, immediately after, and 24 h after an exercise bout similar to the pretest. ATP and total adenine nucleotide content were decreased by ∼25 and 20% immediately after and 24 h after exercise in P and R. Oral ribose supplementation with 4-g doses four times a day does not beneficially impact on postexercise muscle ATP recovery and maximal intermittent exercise performance.
Good to see Led is still providing some solid knowledge and experience in here...what's up my brother, a certain someone is not around here on the forum so I thought I might sneak back in for a bit and catch up with some old friends 
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Bro, ribose is one of the most controversial supplement topics. I read studies that claim it is worthless and studies that claim that it is imperative. I like it! I can tell my workouts are better when I use it. It appears, that I have more stamina in the gym when I use it, opposed to when I don't. But I guess truth is in the eye of the beholder.
Here is a study that shows the benefits of ribose.
D-Ribose: The New Heart Smart Cellular Energy Enhancer |Smart Publications
No, I'm not concerned at all with the ribose/creatine stack. I believe they work well together.
I'm not big on chicken myself. I stick to flounder and roughy, but I have to go to the grocery store and buy my fish. I don't have the same luxuries you have; even if I did I'm probably too lazy to go out and try to catch fish for dinner.
Yeah, the slin protocol that you and I are on is the most conservative one out there. If you follow the regimen to a tee it would be virtually impossible that you will go hypo. I been doing it for 5 weeks and never once did even get a sign of going hypo. Another myth debunked!
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