Is cardio while cutting a waste?

[Yll]

Have any of you succesfully reduced your bodyfat to your desired level by just manipulating your nutrition, supplements/gear.
I did a search and found numerous posts on how cardio does nothing as far as burning fat and really only burns calories and hard earned muscle. I tend to be one of those people who agree with this theory. I once spent over 6 months doing AM cardio for an hour on an empty stomach with ECA stacks trying to burn off stubborn fat and was also on a clean low-calorie/low-carb diet and was still very disatisfied with my results.
What I would like to know is if any of you veteran BB's reached your cutting goals without cardio and only nutrition/supplement manipulation and if you agree with this theory.
Ive been training 2 years naturally so I havent much experience cutting besides for one time that didnt work out so well. Ive trained hard and have been eating good. Ive gotten my bodyweight up to 230 and have gained a reasnoble amount of muscle. Of course my b/f is well over 20%. I wanna cut up but dont want to lose all the muscle since I will be doing it naturally.
I know this thread belongs in the training forum but I posted it here since there is other topics revolving around the subject.
Any opinions would be greatly appreciated

 

[lonewulf]

Cardio is good on a cutting cycle for most people(extreme ectomorphs excluded), just dont overdo it. It does tap into muscle a little, but the trade off in fat loss is worth it if it is done correctly. Maybe do a sprint style session(sprint followed by jogging) if you are that worried about a loss in muscle mass.-WULF

 

[el cubano]

While on cutting cycles is the only time I do cardio. If you are on a cutting cycle which consists of anabolic steroids you shouldn't be all that worried about the muscle loss from cardio since the AS will more than offset it. Hate to say it man, but it just looks like you are looking for an excuse to be lazy.

 

[Wombat]

Depends what your goals are----strict dieting along with gear can get anyone ( i mean anyone) down in the single digits concerning bodyfat....However to get real low close to contest shape, most will not reach this without cardio---For the everyday joe who wants to lose fat while using gear(or cutting phase)like some of you call it, I suggest cardio----There are a couple guys in my gym that do compete and have no problem getting there bodyfat down to around 7- 8% without any cardio what -so- ever.(These guys would look shredded to the everyday joe) But these guys have the diet down, and for them to get lower and into contest shape(4-5%)--they do have to hit cardio---They have been competing for awhile so there muscularity is incredible, which makes there bodyfat seem to appear lower then what it may be.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

cardio is A MUST WHEN YOU ARE SERIOUS ABOUT GETTING TO A LOW BF% the pros do 2 hours a day when pre contest prepping

 

[muscleup]

Cardio is a good idea ....Bulking or cutting.

 

[diamonddiceclay]

when bulking, cardio is not a good idea-it is counterproductive

 

[yagadb]

I'm with Cubano, stop being lazy bro.
dB

 

[GARAGE GORILLA]

I'll be the first to admit I hate cardio, in fact, i wont even look at a treadmill when I am bulking. Once it is time to drop the fat, cardio is a must for me. As Cubano said if you are using gear than cardio is not going to eat your muscle away. It may inhibit your gains but your not going to shrivel up.

 

[the nature boy]

if your average run of the mill cardio is boring to you, check this thread out and try some intense circuit training. it's a good change of pace

http://209.11.101.244/forum/showthread.php?threadid=116670&highlight=meltdown+training