I'm really considering just staying "on" (blast/cruise) looking for some vet help

[nickda40]

dont do it

 

[needtogetaas]

Firstly from that pic your not 10%.

Secondly, altho i think this idea is retarded, to ensure you can have kids look into freezing your sperm. Obviously cost a bit of money per year for storage and I think anything over 10 years is advised against (altho some claim the storage can be much longer).

Thirdly make sure you have a good, legit, and most importantly constant supply.

Fourthly i feel your test levels are more than adequate its probably just in your genes. And the fact that steroids can close the gap has caused almost an addiction in you. I say this because there are not many guys your age (like me) who would consider doing this. Now id say i have pretty good genes and unlike you a massively rapidly fast metabolism, so perhaps im not the best measure. However the only ppl i can see making a decision like yours would be pros or people like Guy Shaffer.

Fifthly, remember that kids isnt the only issue with TRT. Hair, prostate, BP etc. are all affected to some degree. It would truely suck if you had no hair, a football sized prostate, and a 30000/20000 BP. Obviously I exagerrate. Nonetheless TRT requires a strict regime in order to prevent the undesired sides associated with exogenous T.

Sixthly, Im no expert in the matter and talking with the vets - such as Joe D and needto will provide you with yet further insight into the matter.

Hope this helps,

Dogfox

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-who-has-been-juice-like-20-years-689961.html

 

[needtogetaas]

What was Needtos bridge again. I can't seem to find it.

You can do a cycle, then pct, then run bridge from the time the pct ends till your next cycle. During this time run a 4 weeks cycle of sarms 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. "Non suppressive Briding" is what I like to call it and it works awesome for keeping all of your gains then then some.

Over the course of 3-4 months it comes out to about the same price, about the same results and its a lot more healthy and non suppressive. Not only that but your next cycle after doing this will be a lot better then it would be had stayed on HRT

 

[joe d]

As the title says basically. I'm quite young though (22). I don't have the best genetics. i'm not really a mesomorph. more like endo id say. looking good is pretty much the most important thing to me and its only through using steroids that i have been able to REALLY move towards the category i want to be in ie big and lean (stats are 5'10, ~197lbs and bf closing in to the 10% mark, i'm about 11 or 12 i think). i'v been training since 18 years old and i'm about to turn 23 in a month so i'm no newb to the gym or anything, and my diet is very good. my 2nd cycle is ending VERY soon and i'm shit scared about loosing muscle and gaining fat back. i cant hack going back that way, i know that with a good PCT (ive got mine ready obv) i can probably stay in ok condition, but ok isn't enough for me. im really hoping to compete when im ready and in good enough shape (it would take a few more cycles so i can mold myself to perfection) and im really looking for a career in the fitness industry - i'm going to be a personal trainer/fitness and nutrition adviser and i know i would be great for the job. bodybuilding is my life.

now i know that staying on will mean TRT forever, i can deal with that. not being able to have kids would be bad, but if im cruising on 250 test a week and using HCG etc i could well be able to have kids fine right? i need advise on this area from those of you that do stay on. and also just any advice is this area would be great. But if your just gonna give me grief and tell me i'm stupid just dont post in my thread. i only want advice not bullshit ok. thanks in advance to those that help.

dont do it man. your 22yo, who knows where you will be at 30. you are to young for a life commitment. just run a light cycle then stay of for a while.

 

[Dogfox]

yes i know i am not 10% in that pic, i am reading at 12-12.7. i hold fat in the crappyest way and it makes me look fatter. but thanks for the downer lol

Its not a downer, you have the same physical makeup as my brother. He is not that low in BF for sure and he has similar stats to you. just 1 inch taller and 15lbs heavier.

i do.
Good.

its fine for you as you say you have good genetics and a fast metabolism. i deserve to look as good as you if i want to do you not agree? i am working towards a career in the fitness industry after all and am going to compete in bb'ing etc. i really need to hold a certain shape as you can understand.

No1's saying you cant look good. Im saying this isnt the best route.


also please dont say i am addicted. that is not the situation here. i am simply trying to find the right road to success for my goals. i may choose to blast/cruse, many do.


When you run 2 cycles and then consider staying on for life thats grounds for what I said. With hard work and normal cycles once a year you can achieve almost anything. Your underselling youself.

i appreciate your concern.

Your welcome.


yes the title of the thread is i need vet help and thats what i really need.

Just offering my insight. You are considering a BOLD move.

your input is very welcome welcome, thanks.

Your welcome welcome also

dogfox

 

[Dogfox]

http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-who-has-been-juice-like-20-years-689961.html

Saw that thread when you put it up, before that I thought stuff like that couldnt happen.
But there is the chance of infertility correct? Was only suggesting as a means of insurance

 

[SouthernLord]

dont do it man. your 22yo, who knows where you will be at 30. you are to young for a life commitment. just run a light cycle then stay of for a while.

Please take this into consideration

 

[lander2312]

No need to be in 2 minds bro..its easy if you remove yourself and look at this rationally. MAybe this will help. Steroids will be here in 3-5 years...you will only look better then due to muscle maturity. There are sooooo many things that can happen in a young mans life that kinda change your outlook on life. YOU might have a great job offer that has unlimited potential, that isnt even in the fitness world. I know this first hand as it happened to me. I was running a powerhouse gym when i was 21 and loved it. Had a man who worked out there who owned this company and he saw how hard I worked and noticed I had very good sales technique. Long story short he offered me a job that I could never have dreamed of. The first couple of years working out everyday wasnt possible due to travel and such. Now I have a great job and can once again work out the way i desire. When your young its hard to be able to see the long picture but to be dependant on test replacement for the next 70??? years of your life...no way and hell your so young they might invent new medicene that will help you live to be 150. There is no need to rush to this decision. Live and Love life my brother....

 

[needtogetaas]

Saw that thread when you put it up, before that I thought stuff like that couldnt happen.
But there is the chance of infertility correct? Was only suggesting as a means of insurance

Of course there is always a chance man. I look at it like this. There is a time to be born and a time to die. If you are meant to have kids nothing in the world is going to stop it. Not condoms, not birth control, not steroids, nothing. My last sone I was juiced out and my wife was on birth control. Still had my youngest boy. Nothing can stop life when its time for life to be created.

 

[goal245]

respect to you mate, you are obviously very committed. you probably also have the genetics going for you?

Yea i had a couple of important people in the bodybuilding industry tell me i have real potential. I think bodybuilding potential comes down to muscle shape and structure. I think anyone can put on the necessary muscle mass and get down to a low bodyfat with hard work, diet and supplementation, but shape and structure is what determines a winner imo. Im actually being sponsored to do 3 shows this year by one of them. Thats the reason im staying on for so long and running higher dosages.