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I'm really considering just staying "on" (blast/cruise) looking for some vet help

Ozzie87

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As the title says basically. I'm quite young though (22). I don't have the best genetics. i'm not really a mesomorph. more like endo id say. looking good is pretty much the most important thing to me and its only through using steroids that i have been able to REALLY move towards the category i want to be in ie big and lean (stats are 5'10, ~197lbs and bf closing in to the 10% mark, i'm about 11 or 12 i think). i'v been training since 18 years old and i'm about to turn 23 in a month so i'm no newb to the gym or anything, and my diet is very good. my 2nd cycle is ending VERY soon and i'm shit scared about loosing muscle and gaining fat back. i cant hack going back that way, i know that with a good PCT (ive got mine ready obv) i can probably stay in ok condition, but ok isn't enough for me. im really hoping to compete when im ready and in good enough shape (it would take a few more cycles so i can mold myself to perfection) and im really looking for a career in the fitness industry - i'm going to be a personal trainer/fitness and nutrition adviser and i know i would be great for the job. bodybuilding is my life.

now i know that staying on will mean TRT forever, i can deal with that. not being able to have kids would be bad, but if im cruising on 250 test a week and using HCG etc i could well be able to have kids fine right? i need advise on this area from those of you that do stay on. and also just any advice is this area would be great. But if your just gonna give me grief and tell me i'm stupid just dont post in my thread. i only want advice not bullshit ok. thanks in advance to those that help.
 
Well at this point your shut down from you cycle so if you do a NICE cruis for HRT

200-250 mgs a week would put you in great position to NOT lose any gains and just feel great
 
At your age i wouldn't do it, each time you run a cycle you build up "muscle memory" so you will basically pick up where you left off.
You need clean receptors to make gains as you saturate them you will find yourself using more and more gear to even achieve half of what you're doing now.
 
you can have kids while on just Test ( you just may need to do a HCG/hmg run while on)

as far as your age its VERY young, but if you know in your heart and body you may have been chronically low BEFORE then its just one of those things bro where you know if ts right or not
 
I'm 22. There's no way i'd make that commitment. However my test levels are good. I don't feel great Just after a cycle but 3 months later i feel i'm fully recovered, just as i'm ready for another cycle :D

I'd think about it for a while...
 
Ozzie87 said:
i know that im really young to be considering this, but life is short and and i want to be "steroid big" if you can understand what i mean. it just isn't in my natural makeup to be big and lean. i really dont wanna loose any of what i have worked so hard for at this point, or start piling on the fat again in an attempt to keep my size. im not even THAT big at the moment, but i want to keep this condition for going into my next cycle and make improvements.

also another question if anyone can answer it - will it help if i do my PCT and cruise, like use HCG and nolva and hcgenerate while on 250mg/week.
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I've only done one blast and cruise so I don't have real advice. What helped out the boys was HCG during cycle at 250iu's 2x's/week.
I know you don't want to hear it but why not come off and since your concern is not only size but conditioning try s4. Everyone seems to be raving about it's recomp powers.
 
eClenbuterol said:
At your age i wouldn't do it, each time you run a cycle you build up "muscle memory" so you will basically pick up where you left off.
You need clean receptors to make gains as you saturate them you will find yourself using more and more gear to even achieve half of what you're doing now.
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i agree 100% , when i finished my first cycle i kept most of gains until i got sick ( a virus first then a sickness bug) i finished at 188lb (im only 5ft 2) and looked quite good at around 14%bf i lost around 14lb , i am now 2 weeks into my 2nd cycle and i am already 186lb and thats after being off for 12 weeks i think the both of us have much more to gain by coming off for a few weeks in between then going back on even if just to clean receptors etc like i say im no expert just my views -ant
 
Im 21yr old and im not planning on getting off anytime soon. Im a competitive bodybuilder and I don't see a point in coming off and losing some of your gains and then spending half the next cycle getting to where you were before.

Sure TRT is a commitment but there are other things you have to do for the rest of your life like sleep, eat, work etc. one shot a week isnt that bad.

There is still a chance you can have kids even when on a heavy cycle
 
Fuck that... not till im 30! Ive considered the same thing but decided to do 2 long cycles a year 4 months on 2 off then 4 on 2 off again with a solid pct
 
Ozzie87 said:
thanks for your input mate. i am planning on competing as soon as possible myself. just need to get into shape for it.

how long have you been on? how are you finding it and also how have done in your shows??
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I did my first show a year ago natural. came in at 200lbs 6' and won the overall.
I then got a 500 test and 400 deca for 12 weeks and got up to 265lbs. Then 6 weeks off time.Then started 12 weeks 700 prop 350 tren, cut down to 235. Then 6 weeks off. And now im on 1000 test, 600 deca, 700 tren at 255lbs about 12%.

Im about to start cutting for a couple of shows so i will be running high dosages for at least 4-5 more months and then trt.
 
considered need2's bridge? reports say its shit hot so maybe worth considering for the long run..your receptors may get used to the gear? test nd hormones are a scary thing to fuck with but not tryna give you advice just thought id add some friendly input.
 
ishaq said:
considered need2's bridge? reports say its shit hot so maybe worth considering for the long run..your receptors may get used to the gear? test nd hormones are a scary thing to fuck with but not tryna give you advice just thought id add some friendly input.
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There is no evidence that the receptors down regulate and that you need time off to clean them out. There are studies that show androgen receptor upregulation in response to aas.
 
goal245 said:
There is no evidence that the receptors down regulate and that you need time off to clean them out. There are studies that show androgen receptor upregulation in response to aas.
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Then how come you keep upping your mg's in your cycles why not keep with 500 test and 400 deca i believe you wrote? not trying to argue more understand?
 
ishaq said:
Then how come you keep upping your mg's in your cycles why not keep with 500 test and 400 deca i believe you wrote? not trying to argue more understand?
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With each cycle a person adds new muscle tissue, the new muscle has new receptors, it will take more juice to fill more receptors. Also myostatin levels increase (myostatin is produced in muscle tissue), more muscle = more myostatin. I think increased myostatin levels is the main cause of slowed muscle growth during cycles. There isnt much you can do to control your myostatin levels, studies shows that levels rise significantly around week 10 of a cycle and then return to baseline around week 20 regardless if you are still on juice or not and it continues in this fashion. this is the reason why blast and cruise methods work.

They need to hurry up and make follistain readily available so that we can all get huge.
 
Firstly from that pic your not 10%.

Secondly, altho i think this idea is retarded, to ensure you can have kids look into freezing your sperm. Obviously cost a bit of money per year for storage and I think anything over 10 years is advised against (altho some claim the storage can be much longer).

Thirdly make sure you have a good, legit, and most importantly constant supply.

Fourthly i feel your test levels are more than adequate its probably just in your genes. And the fact that steroids can close the gap has caused almost an addiction in you. I say this because there are not many guys your age (like me) who would consider doing this. Now id say i have pretty good genes and unlike you a massively rapidly fast metabolism, so perhaps im not the best measure. However the only ppl i can see making a decision like yours would be pros or people like Guy Shaffer.

Fifthly, remember that kids isnt the only issue with TRT. Hair, prostate, BP etc. are all affected to some degree. It would truely suck if you had no hair, a football sized prostate, and a 30000/20000 BP. Obviously I exagerrate. Nonetheless TRT requires a strict regime in order to prevent the undesired sides associated with exogenous T.

Sixthly, Im no expert in the matter and talking with the vets - such as Joe D and needto will provide you with yet further insight into the matter.

Hope this helps,

Dogfox
 
C.K. said:
Fuck that... not till im 30! Ive considered the same thing but decided to do 2 long cycles a year 4 months on 2 off then 4 on 2 off again with a solid pct
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Agree with CK. Im 29, almost 30 and might consider it in a few yrs. I use the juice, but also want to make gains without it. 50/50. THINK ON IT FOR A WHILE
 
I know you dont want to hear this but I think it needs to be said. There are people that complete and then there are people that compete and win. I know you have been with omega's training program (seen the posts) and I would think he will agree with this statement. People who make a living competing and getting sponsorships like you hope for have more than just using steroids...they have great genetics. on any given day they would look better than 90% on this forum not even using gear. Then they use gear and look the way you see them on stage. You have even said in your post that you dont have great genetics. I agree with dogfox, I think this has become an addiction to you and I hope you seek out omegas advice because I cant see him being honest and telling you to go for it. PLus look at it this way. If your willing to dedicate this much now then why not stay this focused and if you think you still want to do it in 3 years from now then look at it again. Brother I am not saying this to flame...or set you out but you posted it up asking so my answer is you need to evaulate your goals cause I dont think, and by your own words, you dont have the genetics to compete and make a living at this. OF course my opinion is worth waht you paid for it...lol
Good luck Bro
 
Dogfox said:
Firstly from that pic your not 10%.

Secondly, altho i think this idea is retarded, to ensure you can have kids look into freezing your sperm. Obviously cost a bit of money per year for storage and I think anything over 10 years is advised against (altho some claim the storage can be much longer).

Thirdly make sure you have a good, legit, and most importantly constant supply.

Fourthly i feel your test levels are more than adequate its probably just in your genes. And the fact that steroids can close the gap has caused almost an addiction in you. I say this because there are not many guys your age (like me) who would consider doing this. Now id say i have pretty good genes and unlike you a massively rapidly fast metabolism, so perhaps im not the best measure. However the only ppl i can see making a decision like yours would be pros or people like Guy Shaffer.

Fifthly, remember that kids isnt the only issue with TRT. Hair, prostate, BP etc. are all affected to some degree. It would truely suck if you had no hair, a football sized prostate, and a 30000/20000 BP. Obviously I exagerrate. Nonetheless TRT requires a strict regime in order to prevent the undesired sides associated with exogenous T.

Sixthly, Im no expert in the matter and talking with the vets - such as Joe D and needto will provide you with yet further insight into the matter.

Hope this helps,

Dogfox
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http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/a...-who-has-been-juice-like-20-years-689961.html
 
theperfectdrug187 said:
What was Needtos bridge again. I can't seem to find it.
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You can do a cycle, then pct, then run bridge from the time the pct ends till your next cycle. During this time run a 4 weeks cycle of sarms 4 weeks on 4 weeks off. "Non suppressive Briding" is what I like to call it and it works awesome for keeping all of your gains then then some.

Over the course of 3-4 months it comes out to about the same price, about the same results and its a lot more healthy and non suppressive. Not only that but your next cycle after doing this will be a lot better then it would be had stayed on HRT
 
Ozzie87 said:
As the title says basically. I'm quite young though (22). I don't have the best genetics. i'm not really a mesomorph. more like endo id say. looking good is pretty much the most important thing to me and its only through using steroids that i have been able to REALLY move towards the category i want to be in ie big and lean (stats are 5'10, ~197lbs and bf closing in to the 10% mark, i'm about 11 or 12 i think). i'v been training since 18 years old and i'm about to turn 23 in a month so i'm no newb to the gym or anything, and my diet is very good. my 2nd cycle is ending VERY soon and i'm shit scared about loosing muscle and gaining fat back. i cant hack going back that way, i know that with a good PCT (ive got mine ready obv) i can probably stay in ok condition, but ok isn't enough for me. im really hoping to compete when im ready and in good enough shape (it would take a few more cycles so i can mold myself to perfection) and im really looking for a career in the fitness industry - i'm going to be a personal trainer/fitness and nutrition adviser and i know i would be great for the job. bodybuilding is my life.

now i know that staying on will mean TRT forever, i can deal with that. not being able to have kids would be bad, but if im cruising on 250 test a week and using HCG etc i could well be able to have kids fine right? i need advise on this area from those of you that do stay on. and also just any advice is this area would be great. But if your just gonna give me grief and tell me i'm stupid just dont post in my thread. i only want advice not bullshit ok. thanks in advance to those that help.
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dont do it man. your 22yo, who knows where you will be at 30. you are to young for a life commitment. just run a light cycle then stay of for a while.
 
yes i know i am not 10% in that pic, i am reading at 12-12.7. i hold fat in the crappyest way and it makes me look fatter. but thanks for the downer lol

Its not a downer, you have the same physical makeup as my brother. He is not that low in BF for sure and he has similar stats to you. just 1 inch taller and 15lbs heavier.

i do.
Good.

its fine for you as you say you have good genetics and a fast metabolism. i deserve to look as good as you if i want to do you not agree? i am working towards a career in the fitness industry after all and am going to compete in bb'ing etc. i really need to hold a certain shape as you can understand.

No1's saying you cant look good. Im saying this isnt the best route.


also please dont say i am addicted. that is not the situation here. i am simply trying to find the right road to success for my goals. i may choose to blast/cruse, many do.


When you run 2 cycles and then consider staying on for life thats grounds for what I said. With hard work and normal cycles once a year you can achieve almost anything. Your underselling youself.

i appreciate your concern.

Your welcome.


yes the title of the thread is i need vet help and thats what i really need.

Just offering my insight. You are considering a BOLD move.

your input is very welcome welcome, thanks.

Your welcome welcome also
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dogfox
 
No need to be in 2 minds bro..its easy if you remove yourself and look at this rationally. MAybe this will help. Steroids will be here in 3-5 years...you will only look better then due to muscle maturity. There are sooooo many things that can happen in a young mans life that kinda change your outlook on life. YOU might have a great job offer that has unlimited potential, that isnt even in the fitness world. I know this first hand as it happened to me. I was running a powerhouse gym when i was 21 and loved it. Had a man who worked out there who owned this company and he saw how hard I worked and noticed I had very good sales technique. Long story short he offered me a job that I could never have dreamed of. The first couple of years working out everyday wasnt possible due to travel and such. Now I have a great job and can once again work out the way i desire. When your young its hard to be able to see the long picture but to be dependant on test replacement for the next 70??? years of your life...no way and hell your so young they might invent new medicene that will help you live to be 150. There is no need to rush to this decision. Live and Love life my brother....
 
Dogfox said:
Saw that thread when you put it up, before that I thought stuff like that couldnt happen.
But there is the chance of infertility correct? Was only suggesting as a means of insurance
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Of course there is always a chance man. I look at it like this. There is a time to be born and a time to die. If you are meant to have kids nothing in the world is going to stop it. Not condoms, not birth control, not steroids, nothing. My last sone I was juiced out and my wife was on birth control. Still had my youngest boy. Nothing can stop life when its time for life to be created.
 
Ozzie87 said:
respect to you mate, you are obviously very committed. you probably also have the genetics going for you?
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Yea i had a couple of important people in the bodybuilding industry tell me i have real potential. I think bodybuilding potential comes down to muscle shape and structure. I think anyone can put on the necessary muscle mass and get down to a low bodyfat with hard work, diet and supplementation, but shape and structure is what determines a winner imo. Im actually being sponsored to do 3 shows this year by one of them. Thats the reason im staying on for so long and running higher dosages.
 
Heres my opinion, take it for what its worth, how many times have i said build a good foundation before gear? 100-200? Ozzie you're on your way,but you are young and impatient,Listen to the vets here,Don't do it, The most i would do is run a cycle,use bridge to keep going using the bodys natural ability to make gains (you might not see them but they are there) the people who take short cuts are not winners, its the ones that put in the time,blood & sweat in the gym that paves to path to greatness.Then Run another cycle when you are ready,too much too long is unhealthy ,I am 58 and i am not on HRT,Hell i feel like i don't need it, but a cycle to me is like candy at christmas time ,and the only time you may rarely see me a bit out of shape is Nov-dec (gee i wonder why?)anyway be realistic,i did offer you help ,its up to you to take that step.
I respect the decision on becomming a personal trainer & competing ,but you're going about it all wrong, maybe you'll see the light after cholorestrol levels or your heart can't take much more,theres alot of factors involved here from those mentioned to thyroid ,liver,pancreas and such,you only have one body use it wisely.

RADAR
 
The days of "Blasting" and "Cruising" whatever bullshit rationalization for staying on is ARE OVER.

Bridge is the way to go for everyone who cycles.

And HRT is for those 40.
 
not a vet but i thought i'd throw in my .02

just keep in mind that TRT requires a constant supply of T which may or may not be available or easily accessible in the future....

where will all your gains be then? just MO
 
Good for you, man, it takes a lot to take this advice you have been given, since you really believed the only way to achieve your goals is through staying on, sooooo many options nowadays: Bridge, SARMS, listen to Nelson, Radar, etc.. They know what they're talking about bro, keep your head up, karma your way!!
 
goal245 said:
SARMS is suppressive. here is a thread about it http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/sarms-s4-study-694627.html

If your going to use something suppressive during pct might as well use safe and proven and more effective testosterone.
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I had zero suppression at the doses I have ran. Several guys have had blood-work and are recovering during PCT while on sarms.

I just ordered some saliva tests form primordial performance, going to have my test levels checked before and after I start my sarms cycle next week.

Then maybe some of the doubters will great of a compound sarms is.:chomp:
 
goal245 said:
SARMS is suppressive. here is a thread about it http://www.elitefitness.com/forum/anabolic-steroids/sarms-s4-study-694627.html

If your going to use something suppressive during pct might as well use safe and proven and more effective testosterone.
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MAn you people don't know shit do you. NO sarms s-4 is not suppressive. Yes it can be argued that it does not allow for 100% hpta recovery but at the same time its not suppressive ether. Makes it a perfect androgen to take "after pct" along with some bridge to get extra gains between cycles.

How I would personally use sarms and the way I feel it would be most effective.

1. stand alone muscle,endurance,strength enhancement
25mg twice to 3 times a day. If i had to rank it I would put it above any natural supplement on the market and below any of the steroids or otc steroids out there. As for sides a lot less then all of them except for the blurred vision thing which at lower doses is not so much a problem.

2. Used for pre PCT before PCT. Most often there is a 2 weeks window in which people often take nothing before they start there PCT. I have never liked this Idea and feel people should start PCT right away (depending) but one great option ( which you your self have spoke often of) is pre PCT. I think sarms fits perfectly into this spot. When your cycle ends jump on some sarms for 4 weeks and then after that start PCT. One could also add other sups to this protocol or even hcg/HMG, ai's or even a dht like a very light dose of provirone.

3. Blasting between cycles. Ie when the cycle is over do regular PCT then jump on something like bridge for a few weeks. then throw in a 4 week cycle of sarms. One could cycle 4 weeks on sarms 4 weeks on bridge back and forth like this all the way till there next cycle and I feel they would be perfectly fine in doing so.
 
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